Hi,

Here is the link to an interesting review by Moonwatch Only about a 2998-2 with original papers.

Very interesting also the information about original condition vs. coherent

actually there are just a very few watches that can be considered as original

what do you think?

http://www.moonwatchonly.com/omega-speedmaster-moonwatch/moonwatch-only-reviews/did-you-say-untouched/

Ciao
Matteo

 

Enjoyed this review!

 

Ciao Matteo

Lovely one that!

Cheers,
E

 

oh my....

 

Simply perfect. And interesting to see that lume colour can turn that brownish/orange without sunlight...

 

Love that -1

 

No evidence to correlate lume colour with past light exposure.

@MSNWatch ’s 2998 remains the best example I have ever held, and an enormous help in my Speedmaster education.

 

I have no experience with having a 60 year old watch that has never been exposed to light...

Usually the 'dark side' pieces have indices that look like vanilla pudding.

But I am far away from saying that anything is wrong. Just interesting, as I stated. Well, because unexpected.

 

If I had it, I would pay Twelvety Million pounds for that.

 

But I think he wouldn't sell for that...

 

@Spacefruit I am aware that you are an undisputed authority and I certainly do not want to argue with you, but only recently have you said in the light of a 145.012 that such a yellow can only be a relume?

These indices to my eyes are similar colored, maybe with a little bit more touch of mandarines, although the watch has been in the safe for 60 years.

I never owned and have never seen a vintage Speedmaster that showed such discoloration of the dial indices without having been worn.

 

Different lume material though right? That 2998 is presumably radium which often goes a little orange vs the tritium which behaves differently. The largest factor affecting how radium lume changes colour would surely be the extreme alpha radiation bombardment rather than visible wavelength light. The relatively short lived beta radiation tritium lume emits would likely have less impact on the material colour so there visible light exposure may pay more of a part.

 

Look at Bukowskis 2915-1. There you can see like the original radium looks after more than 50 years of abstinence from sunlight.

 

By all means post a pic but it is not exactly news that radium lume (if that is what the 2998 has) goes more orange than tritium.

The materials behave in totally different ways, to compare them is fallacious.

 

Vanilla or caramel pudding colored indices are the usual result of radium safe zombies...

 

I hate butting in, but, something doesn't add up in your argument, being, the rest of the watch...the pic you posted sure doesn't look like a safe zombie to me...looks like it has had a hellova life, compared to MSNWatches absolutely stunning NOS example...

 

You really need to start fully reading posts.

 

Well, I said that it's uncommon that radium goes to orange or brown if not exposed to (sun)light.

Not more and not less.

And in a way vice versa you obviously agree that even this worn watch shows lighter lume than a NOS safe zombie.

The Bukowskis 2915-1 is the best watch of it's kind I've seen for auction during the past years and so I was referring to it.