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·Hi, what do you think of this Speed with brown dial? I seriously intend to buy it...
Speedmaster 145.022 brown dial: what do you think?
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Davidt
·Wonderful watch. I’d be more than happy to have that in my collection.
Of course for many vintage watches (including brown dial -69 Speedmasters), finding a good example is not overly difficult. It’s finding one at a reasonable price that’s the hard part.
Of course for many vintage watches (including brown dial -69 Speedmasters), finding a good example is not overly difficult. It’s finding one at a reasonable price that’s the hard part.
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hiddevdl
·Beautiful 145.022-69 imo. Very attractive dial, sharp case and a case back in good/very good condition. I believe all parts are original to this watch. The DON bezel looks to be in very good condition as well!
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BuzzProject
·Wonderful watch. I’d be more than happy to have that in my collection.
Of course for many vintage watches (including brown dial -69 Speedmasters), finding a good example is not overly difficult. It’s finding one at a reasonable price that’s the hard part.
the price is 9000€…
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BuzzProject
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Vercingetorix
··Spam RiskLooks like too much time in the microwave for me.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Those can go very brown but I'd urge caution since dials can be made to look very brown with some very basic photo trickery. My Ed White looks pretty brown in photos, nearly as brown as that in fact, but isn't so much by eye. You are paying a big premium for the brown so I'd want to be sure it really is as otherwise you have a very overpriced -69.
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Larry S
··Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.I’d ask for pics in natural sunlight light. All these pics look tweaked. That said, its a great watch. Assume you’ve verified the SN. As an owner of a brown fade in top condition one needs to see how far along it is. I paid in that range for mine but i also have the original bracelet.
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kingsrider
·I would ask for pics that aren't enhance with brown/sepia. Clearly these pictures are not a true representation. The dial appearance is different in most every picture.
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Davidt
·Those can go very brown but I'd urge caution since dials can be made to look very brown with some very basic photo trickery. My Ed White looks pretty brown in photos, nearly as brown as that in fact, but isn't so much by eye. You are paying a big premium for the brown so I'd want to be sure it really is as otherwise you have a very overpriced -69.
Very good point. It’s hard valuing these dials from photos, they really need to be viewed in person. Certainly when a significant premium is being asked
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Dan S
·Does not appear to be in the usual serial range for brown dials IIRC. Just an FYI.
I am also having a really hard time judging the condition of the dial. The lume plots look really bad. The photos have been so extremely manipulated to make the dial look light brown that as a result the lume plots look totally white. Is lume present at all or are they washed. If the lume has been washed from the dial that is a major flaw and I would pass. If the lume is bright white, I would also be very skeptical.
I am also having a really hard time judging the condition of the dial. The lume plots look really bad. The photos have been so extremely manipulated to make the dial look light brown that as a result the lume plots look totally white. Is lume present at all or are they washed. If the lume has been washed from the dial that is a major flaw and I would pass. If the lume is bright white, I would also be very skeptical.
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paddymoran
·Does not appear to be in the usual serial range for brown dials IIRC. Just an FYI.
Agreed, make sure the serial number is in the usual range for a tropical dial - as I understand it they are typically 2960… and 2911…
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spacemission
·Would you buy a watch with a spider or patrizzi dial? To be blunt, with a damaged dial.
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·The distinct degradation of the indices as they cross the dial's step is something William from Speedmaster101 mentions as a sign that a dial has spent a considerable amount of time outside the case.
You can see his review of an Ultraman which has a similar issue here:
You can see his review of an Ultraman which has a similar issue here:
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··Married... with childrenHere are a few photos of mine. In really bright sunlight you see the tropical dial but in normal light it looks like a normal-ish dial. The extract on mine shows a 28XXX movement serial number and delivery in Jan 1970.
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SOG53
·On this photo the bezel looks brown as well suggesting manipulation of the picture- and it clearly shows the cracked lume at junction of step dial.
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...It’s the right year for a tropical watch but some of those pics are color processed. If I was selling a tropical I’d have a natural light shot included. Not having one and color adjusted photos is a warning sign to me.
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timjohn
·The vendor has definitely been having some fun with the colour balance tool -- take a look at the differences in the colour of presumably the same strap...
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Davidt
·All the comments about colour balance etc are true, but it doesn’t necessarily mean the watch isn’t a buy. What it emphasises is the need to see these dials in person as their actual aesthetics can’t be adequately portrayed in pictures imo.
Everyone calls for natural light shots (me included) but pictures in direct sunlight also enhance the ‘tropicalness’ of these dials.
For what it’s worth, although I understand the point about wear around the step potentially pointing to a dial that’s being stored outside of a watch, I don’t believe that’s the case here.
Everyone calls for natural light shots (me included) but pictures in direct sunlight also enhance the ‘tropicalness’ of these dials.
For what it’s worth, although I understand the point about wear around the step potentially pointing to a dial that’s being stored outside of a watch, I don’t believe that’s the case here.
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Aludic
··@SpeedyBirthYearAll the comments about colour balance etc are true, but it doesn’t necessarily mean the watch isn’t a buy. What it emphasises is the need to see these dials in person as their actual aesthetics can’t be adequately portrayed in pictures imo.
Spot on, imho. These are so incredibly hard to picture… I’ve made many tries with mine (and @MtV ’s) in the past. Mine is a 296xxxxx serial, whilst MTV’s on the lighter strap, is a 284xxxxx if I’m not mistaken. In spite of many attempts, both look much more spectacular in the metal than in these pictures. And these pictures are unmodified, unlike those of the OP’s watch.
Back to that watch; quite a few of these brown Speedmasters suffer from rather thin / dry lume. Mine is (unfortunately) no exception to that rule, nor is the OP’s, I suspect. For clarity; mine does still have its lume, albeit rather thinly spread.
And finally; the price of 9k could be realistic, provided that it looks good IRL.
In the meantime, mine has obtained a matching DON too. 😀 See; https://omegaforums.net/threads/145-022-69-a-chocolate-story.150058/
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