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Speedmaster 145.022 69 serial 322XXXXX

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So if it says 1972, what is the conclusion?

If EOA says manufacture 1972 and also states ref. as 145.022 69 then it would be validated I would think.


Edit; never-mind, I realize what you mean. EOA would likely only show ref.as 145.022- it would not specify the additional numerals indicating model year 69 or 71.
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If EOA says manufacture 1972 and also states ref. as 145.022 69 then it would be validated I would think.

That was my point. The EOA will only say 145.022. They don't give more detailed information about the reference.
 
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Omega can also say no EOA because it's a franken... If the 861 was for a mark II for example, they'll refuse to deliver it.
 
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It seems indeed to be the wrong movement in the wrong case. I think I’m going to do some more research on the movement because I read an article yesterday about 32m serials (@Foo2rama mentioned it before)
 
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It seems indeed to be the wrong movement in the wrong case. I think I’m going to do some more research on the movement because I read an article yesterday about 32m serials (@Foo2rama mentioned it before)
Can you post a link to the article please. Curious about it.
 
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Can you post a link to the article please. Curious about it.

https://www.watchbooksonly.com/articles/watch-reviews/understanding-the-145022-69-reference/

Read below 2. Speedmaster 145.022 69 ST Straight Writing.

It should be noted that movement numbers between 31.0 and 32.8 millions were installed indifferently in 145.022-69, 145.022-71 and 145.022-74 cases, which makes the story complex. Furthermore, despite the fact that production started in 1971, delivery of most Straight Writing watches was postponed to 1972 or later, due to the necessity of NASA’s approval for the usage of their name
 
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Thank You !
You’re most welcome.

I’m not really sure what this says about my watch tho. Could it be the right movement?
 
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The 32xxx serial should be ok for a SW, not a regular -69 especially for a DON -69.
So the scenarios are :
- You have a service mouvement
- You have a franken
- You have a wrong caseback

If you ask for a EOA, it can tell you that it's a 145.022 or you won't have one because it's not a speedie mouvement.

Can't tell you more.
 
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perenowell perenowell
The 32xxx serial should be ok for a SW, not a regular -69 especially for a DON -69.
So the scenarios are :
- You have a service mouvement
- You have a franken
- You have a wrong caseback

If you ask for a EOA, it can tell you that it's a 145.022 or you won't have one because it's not a speedie mouvement.

Can't tell you more.

It can’t just be the wrong case back.

the options are:
1. You have a service/replacement movement or serial bridge.
2. You have a Franken.
3. You have a wrong caseback + wrong bezel (this movement does not go with a DON bezel).
 
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I’d also add that the -69 Pre Moon was produced into 1971 and sold after this date.
MWO only states the 220 bezel pre moon (the model that superseded the Don pre moon) only started in production in sept 1970.
Given you have a nice 1039 dated first quarter of 71 which was probably added at the point of sale, I’d say the most likely scenario is you have an original case, dial, hands, bezel and bracelet with a replacement movement. The fact the dial lume appears to have been removed and the hands look very green makes me think the most likely scenario is water ingress leading to a rusted movement.
Alternatively, a careless watchmaker servicing several Speedmasters mixed up a couple of movements.
 
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Davidt Davidt
It can’t just be the wrong case back.

the options are:
1. You have a service/replacement movement or serial bridge.
2. You have a Franken.
3. You have a wrong caseback + wrong bezel (this movement does not go with a DON bezel).

You're right!
 
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So, in short. The movement “probably” is not original to the watch.

It is still a very nice watch though. Just account for the discrepancies when negotiating price
 
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I added some more pictures of the case back and movement. Seems the 861 features a steel brake. But it all seems clear the movement was changed.
 
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unless you are a collector, which the condition belies, i wouldn't let a few covert numbers distract from my enjoyment of wearing that watch at all.
 
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