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Hi all,
the idea of a Speedy in accordance of my birthyear 1966 won't let me go, so I have one in my focus.
It is offered by an online-dealer, who joins an excellent reputation.

Speedmaster 105.12-65, serial No. 2401...
Extract of the Archives: First sold in Switzerland in 10/1966.

So both dates - Serial-No. and date of Delivery - are from 1966.

I tried to do my homework well and according to "Moonwatch only", everything at this watch seem to be correct:

Movement: A3 - Cal. 321 (64-69)
Case: A1 - Symmetrical (57-69)
Caseback: Speedmaster in Center, double Bevel (59-67)
Crown: B2 - 32 Wide (60s-70s)
Pushers: Wide & Short (64-68)
Dial: B2 - Tall Markers - close T (64-67), "new" Dial, no extra print, applied Logo. - looks a bit "rusty"
Hands: C1 - Baton-Drop (64-69) - Minute hand with missing lume, hands a bit "rusty"
Bezel: B1 - poor condition
Bracelet: without

The asking price is 9850 Euro.
May I ask for your opinion and guidance?

Thanks a lot,
Werner

Attached pictures are belonging to the seller.
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befobe
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Mmmhh seems to have a tough life....
Dial and missing tritium would be a problem for me.
Sides and lugs views would be necessary to evaluate the case polishing level.
Crown is a service one. Flat feet would be the original one.
But I like this bezel! It is a bezel of a real tool watch... 😀
 
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I don't find the watch attractive with the missimg tritium on dial&hands, I'd pass on this one and keep searching for a nicer specimen.
 
Donn Chambers
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I think it depends on how important having a watch with documentation that it was manufactured in your birth year is vs the quality of the watch. I’m not sure you will find many on the market with the documented dates from 1966. But I’m sure you can find better ones that might be from 1965 or 1967. You have to ask yourself which is the deal-breaker.

Personally, I’d buy the one in the best shape I could find rather than a knackered version that meets an arbitrary and restrictive “has to have been produced in this date range” criteria.
 
UWG
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Thank you for your replies so far 😀.
 
Dan S
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The condition is pretty rough all around for a collector piece. The damage to the bezel is significant, and the missing lume, especially on the dial, is pretty severe, and not consistent with the asking price IMO. I think this could be a candidate for a daily wear watch (perhaps after a re-lume), but it would have to be a lot less expensive for me to be interested.
 
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Not disagreeing with anything said so far...but I personally like the extremely well-worn look. If you are into that, then this could work for you, but the price will also need to work for you too. No expert here, but from the comments it seems like the price is not right for this one. Maybe you can use the issues to negotiate, although I am not sure how much you would need to get the price reduced before it was in-range.
 
UWG
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With a little distance I totally agree with all comments.
Possibly I stepped into the sentimentality-trap as I saw this one. It's not that common finding the 1966-one's offered by a dealer you know and you believe, you can rely on. I guess this watch is pretty original, all around. But it in fact it is not in that good shape, as it should be. At least not for that price.

I know, asking, sharing and learning is essential here. And patience.

Thank you all
Werner
 
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Has the watch been recently serviced?

Upon arrival, can you return it, if you are dissatisfied?
 
Dan S
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UWG UWG
With a little distance I totally agree with all comments.
Possibly I stepped into the sentimentality-trap as I saw this one. It's not that common finding the 1966-one's offered by a dealer you know and you believe, you can rely on. I guess this watch is pretty original, all around. But it in fact it is not in that good shape, as it should be. At least not for that price.

I know, asking, sharing and learning is essential here. And patience.

Thank you all
Werner

Aside from the crown, I don't see any issues with respect to originality.
 
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murph murph
Has the watch been recently serviced?

Upon arrival, can you return it, if you are dissatisfied?

The watch is serviced by them and they offer an one-year warranty.
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UWG UWG
The watch is serviced by them and offer an one-year warranty.

Well that has some value if you get evidence of the service. I actually find the watch attractive but wouldn't rate it higher then fair for Speedmaster101 pricing chart.
 
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Redwes25 Redwes25
Well that has some value if you get evidence of the service. I actually find the watch attractive but wouldn't rate it higher then fair for Speedmaster101 pricing chart.

Agree. This is pretty much the definition of a fair Speedmaster IMO.
 
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UWG UWG
Hi all,
the idea of a Speedy in accordance of my birthyear 1966 won't let me go, so I have one in my focus.
It is offered by an online-dealer, who joins an excellent reputation.

Speedmaster 105.12-65, serial No. 2401...
Extract of the Archives: First sold in Switzerland in 10/1966.

So both dates - Serial-No. and date of Delivery - are from 1966.

I tried to do my homework well and according to "Moonwatch only", everything at this watch seem to be correct:

Movement: A3 - Cal. 321 (64-69)
Case: A1 - Symmetrical (57-69)
Caseback: Speedmaster in Center, double Bevel (59-67)
Crown: B2 - 32 Wide (60s-70s)
Pushers: Wide & Short (64-68)
Dial: B2 - Tall Markers - close T (64-67), "new" Dial, no extra print, applied Logo. - looks a bit "rusty"
Hands: C1 - Baton-Drop (64-69) - Minute hand with missing lume, hands a bit "rusty"
Bezel: B1 - poor condition
Bracelet: without

The asking price is 9850 Euro.
May I ask for your opinion and guidance?

Thanks a lot,
Werner

Attached pictures are belonging to the seller.
1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg 4.jpg 5.jpg 6.jpg 7.jpg 8.jpg

caseback pitting definitely is an issue i d consider thoughtfuly. dial and bezel you may come by. caseback too, but all three is maybe a lot for that price.
 
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I believe everyone agrees you can find a better example at the current asking price. The watch is in fair condition, at best, and does have the issue of the non-original crown ( original crown will run over 350.00 plus installation). If asking price comes down to the 6 -7K area, you have a very wearable watch that a few more door knobs and walls can't do too much more damage to the value.

Personally, I'd pass on this one
 
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