Speedmaster 105.012-65 strange dial, fake or not??

Seamaster66 · Jun 5, 2016

Hello O.F.-members and viewers,

I have a Speedmaster 105.012-65 wit a strange Dial and I would like to know if it is a correct Dial or a fake one.
The concentric rings are missing with the seconds sub-dial (I will try to take pictures) and the text "T SWISS MADE T" is loose from the minutes markers which is strange by the "Close T"-version but normal by the "Spaced T version"..

Could you please explain?

Kind regards,
Eric

JohnSteed · Jun 5, 2016

Eric - high resolution pics will help so when you get a chance. Had to dig out my copy of MWO underneath a mountain of boxes

From what I can tell, this seems a B2 close T dial per position of the T on each side of swiss made. However 'swiss made' seems positioned a bit lower than I'd expect. See here -

Again, detailed pics will give a better view, but, seems the G in OMEGA should have a longer horizontal length than in your pic, and I think should look like this to be the B2 type dial typical for 1964-1967 Pro dial -

I've not seen a dial for this reference without the concentric rings (seconds counter)

Sure other will have further/ better comment as there can be other observations and examples seen/known by more experienced (and esteemed) OF members

Run the chrono a few seconds before taking better pics so there be full views of the lettering

Cheers

TNTwatch · Jun 5, 2016

Seamaster66
Hello O.F.-members and viewers,

I have a Speedmaster 105.012-65 wit a strange Dial and I would like to know if it is a correct Dial or a fake one.
The concentric rings are missing with the seconds sub-dial (I will try to take pictures) and the text "T SWISS MADE T" is loose from the minutes markers which is strange by the "Close T"-version but normal by the "Spaced T version"..

Could you please explain?

Kind regards,
Eric

Looks similar to the grey/blue dial type.

Javi22 · Jun 5, 2016

Seamaster66 · Jun 5, 2016

Hi,

This is about the missing concentric rings....

Rest is coming.....

Seamaster66 · Jun 5, 2016

Oeps,

Wrong button:

And the G:

Sorry about the waiting....

Seamaster66 · Jun 6, 2016

BUMP....

trackpad · Jun 6, 2016

The concentric rings are missing with the seconds sub-dial

Fascinating issue, there has been a lot of discussion about how these rings seem to vary from virtually non-existent to very visible and pronounced across different dials and references. I can understand why it's made you nervous in conjunction with the T space issues...but (without really being qualified to know) it seems to me more like a case of a Monday morning / understudy dial-job than a redial or outright fake.

Seamaster66 · Jun 6, 2016

Thank you guys for the answers 👍.... and it seems that the Dial is original..... 🙄

Cal_321 · Jun 6, 2016

Lucky guy, seems to be a rare thing ;-)

OmegaCal66 · Jun 7, 2016

Seamaster66
Thank you guys for the answers 👍.... and it seems that the Dial is original..... 🙄

I don't want to jump the gun here but you have now put the watch for sale in the private sales forum and headlined it as FS Omega Speedmaster 105.012-65 with rare Dial. Now as the OF is a place of safe refuge in the world of watch buying intrigue it may be seen as slightly misleading to people with little Speedie knowledge to say your watch has a rare feature when so far yours is the only one with this feature. It might be an idea to wait a little to verify your rare features with the experts before using them as selling point. Normally a one off is either a prototype, faulty or altered.
I now going to have to get out my speedies and count the rings as never heard that before?

Pianist · Jun 7, 2016

Sorry but this is NOT a rare dial.

Seamaster66 · Jun 7, 2016

Thank you for the commenttOmegaCal66 and Pianist, but the reason to put this thread on .Vintage Omega Watches Help, Discussion and Advice was this strange Dial. After a little while

OmegaCal66
It might be an idea to wait a little to verify your rare features with the experts before using them as selling point.

. I put this for sale... and more than a little time after this I received your comment ??? It has to be determined how to define rare, very rare and extremely rare.

Speedmaster 105.012-65 strange dial, fake or not??

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