Speedmaster 105.012-63 dial

bikehomero · Jan 23, 2021

Hi,

a 63 Speedmaster Professional 105.012 is on offer. Everything about the watch looks correct, including the dial. Now, of course, it has suprarenals of time and the indices are no longer completely preserved, and the filling of the minute hand also no longer seems to be complete.

On the other hand there is also a nice 7921 band with 16 end links. If the watch had a talon-free dial I would estimate the value at around $ 15,000.00, what do you mean, how much deduction do you have to make for the lost luminous material?

MikiJ · Jan 23, 2021

I'm certainly no expert but I believe your "talon-free" dial estimate of $15,000.US for a 105.012-63 with a 7921 w/16 ends is a tad low. I'd be buying this beauty and do whatever, either a proper relume or better yet another correct minute hand and be a happy camper 😀

gemini4 · Jan 23, 2021

bikehomero
Hi,

a 63 Speedmaster Professional 105.012 is on offer. Everything about the watch looks correct, including the dial. Now, of course, it has suprarenals of time and the indices are no longer completely preserved, and the filling of the minute hand also no longer seems to be complete.

On the other hand there is also a nice 7921 band with 16 end links. If the watch had a talon-free dial I would estimate the value at around $ 15,000.00, what do you mean, how much deduction do you have to make for the lost luminous material?

Not really up to date on pricing for these examples but I wouldn’t alter the dials or hands. See thru baton minute hands are common on early Speedies.

MikiJ · Jan 23, 2021

gemini4
Not really up to date on pricing for these examples but I wouldn’t alter the dials or hands. See thru baton minute hands are common on early Speedies.

I guess this would make it an even better bargain 😉

Dan S · Jan 23, 2021

gemini4
See thru baton minute hands are common on early Speedies.

Makes it easier to read the subdials. 😁

Spacefruit · Jan 23, 2021

That’s quite a swing to call any price on these pictures.

if it’s an early serial 63 I would have hoped for a no T dial.

let’s see the state of the pushers, and case before calling a price.

that dial is fair at best, and the bezel is faded and to me slightly unattractive.

I am very cautious calling a strong price on this based on info provided.

gemini4 · Jan 23, 2021

Here are a pair of early 63’s for comparison. All correct I believe and both sport the first professional dial without any Ts. I notice one has a see thru minute hand as well.

bikehomero · Jan 23, 2021

Thats what I think as well. The faded bezel doesn't disturb me it's only the missing lume. The watch is a late 63 one with the asymetrical clutch bridge. So the "T" could be from the later applied ones of the transition time.

MikiJ · Jan 23, 2021

Spacefruit
I am very cautious calling a strong price on this based on info provided.

An expert has spoken!

bikehomero · Jan 23, 2021

Pushers and crown seems OK to me:

bikehomero · Jan 23, 2021

The reason of my interest is my birthyear is 1963. So I need to pay attention not to be too emotional in looking for a birthyear, or if it is a late one maybe month as well, watch.

gemini4 · Jan 23, 2021

bikehomero
Pushers and crown seems OK to me:

Are the pusher necks “fat”

bikehomero
The reason of my interest is my birthyear is 1963. So I need to pay attention not to be too emotional in looking for a birthyear, or if it is a late one maybe month as well, watch.

You do realize that the 105.012-63 started production in 1964?

bikehomero · Jan 23, 2021

No, didn't know that. Is it really so?

bikehomero · Jan 23, 2021

Try to find a foto with the pusher necks as well....

gemini4 · Jan 23, 2021

bikehomero
No, didn't know that. Is it really so?

Yes, the 105.002-62 was produced in 1963. This info is per MWO.

However, I suspect many watch collectors are happy with a reference number matching their birth year.

bikehomero · Jan 23, 2021

Pusher necks seem to be fat and caseback is a double bevel:

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