Someone got a bargain from Peru.... or did he?

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All a scam. Are you aware of how most listings from Peru tend to be quick scams/cash grabs?
 
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All a scam. Are you aware of how most listings from Peru tend to be quick scams/cash grabs?
All of them?
How can you be sure?
I’ve read various 'horror' threads on OF about the dangers of buying from some South American countries and, as a consequence, was a little hesitant about buying a watch from a Buenos Aires seller but he was excellent.
I appreciate that the seller of the watches posted above by @kpaxsg may not have had many reviews and hasn’t any other items for sale and, of course, may not be genuine but surely not all sellers in Peru are scammers.
In any event, isn’t the buyer covered by eBay's safety policies?
 
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All of them?
How can you be sure?
I’ve read various 'horror' threads on OF about the dangers of buying from some South American countries and, as a consequence, was a little hesitant about buying a watch from a Buenos Aires seller but he was excellent.
I appreciate that the seller of the watches posted above by @kpaxsg may not have had many reviews and hasn’t any other items for sale and, of course, may not be genuine but surely not all sellers in Peru are scammers.
In any event, isn’t the buyer covered by eBay's safety policies?

I did say "most."

Personally, I've seen the pictures used in the duplicate 105.012 listings in a variety of Peru listings from the past few years.

While you are protected by eBay's safety policies, do you really want to wait until you get a box of rocks till you get your money back? In my opinion, it's just not worth the time.
 
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All of them?


well maybe some of them.... surely not this one... just all the others....

How can you be sure?

indeed so. Can you be sure?

I’ve read various 'horror' threads on OF about the dangers of buying from some South American countries and, as a consequence, was a little hesitant about buying a watch from a Buenos Aires seller but he was excellent.
I appreciate that the seller of the watches posted above by @kpaxsg may not have had many reviews and hasn’t any other items for sale and, of course, may not be genuine but surely not all sellers in Peru are scammers.
In any event, isn’t the buyer covered by eBay's safety policies?

I've always applied the slightly xenophobic logic of asking myself what would be the likelihood of such a watch firstly being in a far-distant South American country and then wondering how come such a country wouldn't have a watch-collecting population of its own. It's shaky man-logic I know but it comes from the old Egyptian saying that if something looks too good to be true then there's a statistical likelihood......
 
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I’ve heard that there’s 'an awful lot of coffee in Brazil' but I didn’t think that applied to vintage watch selling scammers in Peru.

Has any member of OF ever been scammed buying a watch specifically from Peru, or is it just an urban myth?
 
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I’ve heard that there’s 'an awful lot of coffee in Brazil' but I didn’t think that applied to vintage watch selling scammers in Peru.

Has any member of OF ever been scammed buying a watch specifically from Peru, or is it just an urban myth?

I believe our very own god of Speedmasters @Spacefruit has mentioned before that he has had both good and bad experiences buying from South America.
 
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I'd recommend posting photos and screenshots of the listing as the link isn't active anymore (at least for me). This way we'd get a "archive" of these Peruvian watches. Might be helpful one day.👍
 
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I've always applied the slightly xenophobic logic of asking myself what would be the likelihood of such a watch firstly being in a far-distant South American country and then wondering how come such a country wouldn't have a watch-collecting population of its own. It's shaky man-logic I know but it comes from the old Egyptian saying that if something looks too good to be true then there's a statistical likelihood......
I agree with this thought. it is hard for the nationalities concerned but unfortunately it has proven its worth.
have you noticed the number of weird Omega from poland on C24? how can a former Soviet bloc country see so many luxury watches circulating?
of course that does not protect the scoundrels of our regions. we have our own vulture nests...
 
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Peruvian scammers yes. Every place is a scam no, members have plucked some great watches over the years from Peru.
Favour fortunes the brave.

Scammers everywhere. We have had a few over the years.
Chris Henry ring a bell…. Well respected scammers exist…
 
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Generalization without proof is always an unfair and idiotic behaviour. In EVERY country as in EVERY group of humans there are good and bad sellers, good and bad buyers, good and bad politicians, summarizing, good and bad persons. Always have been, always will be.
 
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I have scored two really great Omegas from Peru, but I treat it with a great deal of caution and don’t buy without multiple layers of buyer protection. It’s not for the beginner for sure
 
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Generalization without proof is always an unfair and idiotic behaviour. In EVERY country as in EVERY group of humans there are good and bad sellers, good and bad buyers, good and bad politicians, summarizing, good and bad persons. Always have been, always will be.
of course that's unfair, i agree. honesty is not the prerogative of a country.
but what is the probability that a vintage watch will end up in China, for example, rather than in Western Europe?
watches are markers of social status, of standard of living. they are linked to lifestyles, cultures, political histories.
we can legitimately be skeptical when a seller from a country known for this culture offers several.
it is sport to buy in some countries.
 
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As others have said, buying from this region can be a minefield so it is wise to tread cautiously. That said however the larger the risk can mean the larger the opportunity so you should not discount it altogether if you have some buyer protection and you take precautions.
The gold Polerouter in my avatar was purchased from Venezuela. It was a great deal because of few bidders and a nervous 3 weeks whilst I awaited its arrival but it all worked out perfectly in the end.
 
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I agree with this thought. it is hard for the nationalities concerned but unfortunately it has proven its worth.
have you noticed the number of weird Omega from poland on C24? how can a former Soviet bloc country see so many luxury watches circulating?
of course that does not protect the scoundrels of our regions. we have our own vulture nests...
I’ve bought watches from Poland and the Czech Republic without any problems
 
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I think some generalisations are sensible to be aware of when buying, though of course they are just that and don't apply to every example.

Korea is a hotbed of fantasy redials. Ukraine is the home of the recased pocket watch. Speedmasters from Italy are often messed about and sold by closet dealers. Watches from India are often frankens and redials. Japanese listings are often from resellers llsting watches internationally they have seen on domestic sales platforms. There seem to be 10 times more watches issued by the Pakistani military than soldiers and airman who ever actually served. Watches from Eastern Europe have often been maintained on the cheap if at all. UK listings that say 'serviced by retired Omega trained watchmaker' usually run like crap. Need I go on?
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I think some generalisations are sensible to be aware of when buying, though of course they are just that and don't apply to every example.

Korea is a hotbed of fantasy redials. Ukraine is the home of the recased pocket watch. Speedmasters from Italy are often messed about and sold by closet dealers. Watches from India are often frankens and redials. Japanese listings are often from resellers llsting watches internationally they have seen on domestic sales platforms. There seem to be 10 times more watches issued by the Pakistani military than soldiers and airman who ever actually served. Watches from Eastern Europe have often been maintained on the cheap if at all. UK listings that say 'serviced by retired Omega trained watchmaker' usually run like crap. Need I go on?

..you forgot about the thousands of vintage Rolex from Asia that never put a dial foot on Switzerland. But yes, your listing is solid 😀
 
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yeah theres no way id ever buy anything from South America to be honest,
 
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..you forgot about the thousands of vintage Rolex from Asia that never put a dial foot on Switzerland. But yes, your listing is solid 😀
At the least a good base to work from. No mention of the cottage industry of Seiko re-dialers in the Philippines ...

all jokes aside I’ve bought from Venezuela. Postage via DHL took months (no surprise) and the Seiko bullhead Chrono arrived with no hands connected. But, that’d be more to do with the butchery carried out by Hong Kong customs (don’t ask why a watch travels to Australia via HK,!) and the slipshod efforts of DHL to repackage it. With DHL not accepting any responsibility it was a pretty poor effort all round, but hardly the fault of the seller. That said, I largely ignore South American ads because of the high percentage of franken watches.