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kidnamedomega
·That’s a great example that suggests multiple sources for the dials (the Moonwatch example). That Rolex example is crazy bad; if that’s more than just a few outliers - yikes.
Snoopy 2025 production issues?
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerThat’s a great example that suggests multiple sources for the dials (the Moonwatch example). That Rolex example is crazy bad; if that’s more than just a few outliers - yikes.
I have a folder of what I call "factory defects" and there are plenty of them around. They vary in type, but are clear defects. There are misalignments...bezels, hands, etc.
This one was a member here, and he confirms fresh from the factory this way:
Then there is contamination during production, like fibers imbedded in things:
Also things imbedded in the lume:
I dug until I exposed the dark spot:
Cleaned it out, and patched the lume:
Then there are errors like the Rolex's I posted previously - this was a pretty famous one:
All quite different from the issue with the Snoopy, but all these got past whatever QA (QC is a very outdated term!) system that the company has in place. The marketers spin a good yarn, but these are just widgets made in a factory in very large numbers, not something that a single person toils over for many hours.
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Mute
·I have a folder of what I call "factory defects" and there are plenty of them around. They vary in type, but are clear defects. There are misalignments...bezels, hands, etc.
This one was a member here, and he confirms fresh from the factory this way:
Then there is contamination during production, like fibers imbedded in things:
Also things imbedded in the lume:
I dug until I exposed the dark spot:
Cleaned it out, and patched the lume:
Then there are errors like the Rolex's I posted previously - this was a pretty famous one:
All quite different from the issue with the Snoopy, but all these got past whatever QA (QC is a very outdated term!) system that the company has in place. The marketers spin a good yarn, but these are just widgets made in a factory in very large numbers, not something that a single person toils over for many hours.
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97TJ
·This is exactly why limited editions aren't worth any more than regular production watches. Other than getting one with a cartoon character, or one that only so many are made (and at an exorbitant price tag), you're still just getting another watch shoved down an assembly line like all the rest of them.
These aren't "one off's" or "specially made" by the old grand poo-bah horologist at Omega, they're made by just another working Joe or Betty on the assembly line.
Not worth it in my book for a cartoon character.
These aren't "one off's" or "specially made" by the old grand poo-bah horologist at Omega, they're made by just another working Joe or Betty on the assembly line.
Not worth it in my book for a cartoon character.
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kidnamedomega
·Thanks for the photos, Archer—love seeing this stuff. I’d be tempted to keep that Air King but there’s no way anyone who saw your watch would believe it’s genuine lol
Depends on what you value. Is a Speedmaster Moonwatch worth 9000 CAD? For 99% of people, no. Luxury goods aren’t driven by inherent physical or pragmatic worth.
Not worth it in my book for a cartoon character.
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97TJ
·Thanks for the photos, Archer—love seeing this stuff. I’d be tempted to keep that Air King but there’s no way anyone who saw your watch would believe it’s genuine lol
Depends on what you value. Is a Speedmaster Moonwatch worth 9000 CAD? For 99% of people, no. Luxury goods aren’t driven by inherent physical or pragmatic worth.
1863 Hesalite Sandwich.
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Felix_La_PuBelle
·I have a folder of what I call "factory defects" and there are plenty of them around. They vary in type, but are clear defects. There are misalignments...bezels, hands, etc.
This one was a member here, and he confirms fresh from the factory this way:
Then there is contamination during production, like fibers imbedded in things:
Also things imbedded in the lume:
I dug until I exposed the dark spot:
Cleaned it out, and patched the lume:
Then there are errors like the Rolex's I posted previously - this was a pretty famous one:
All quite different from the issue with the Snoopy, but all these got past whatever QA (QC is a very outdated term!) system that the company has in place. The marketers spin a good yarn, but these are just widgets made in a factory in very large numbers, not something that a single person toils over for many hours.
Of course this is all a metaphor for life and the human condition. The unending and inevitably futile quest for perfection. As if happiness depends on being perfect.
Anyone who thinks each piece should be identical to the next has, I’m sorry to say, drank the marketing kool aid. Embrace entropy and the world gets more interesting.
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Can we get the rock n roll hand gesture emoji added to the post editor?
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97TJ
·Probably "limited" like Rolex. Just make you wait months or years to get it. But they probably do batches based on demand, that would be my guess.
Rolex is mass produced too and held back in inventory to create a fake demand by a false waiting list created by the AD's to drive up the prices.
AD's sell to clients egos by preying on people's elitist personalities by stroking them into "feeling" they're in a certain wealthy segment simply to be put on the list, brilliant marketing! (Sales 101- 90% of all sales are based on feelings)
Rolex has creatively mastered marketing by making people "feel" they're part of some elitist, uber upper class clientele when they can buy a Rolex, when in reality, the watch isn't any better than an Omega and in some cases inferior.
Most Rolex owners can't even tell you what mvt it has, but they can tell you how much they paid.
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pdxleaf
·Rolex is a great watch, but...
Rolex is mass produced too and held back in inventory to create a fake demand by a false waiting list created by the AD's to drive up the prices.
AD's sell to clients egos by preying on people's elitist personalities by stroking them into "feeling" they're in a certain wealthy segment simply to be put on the list, brilliant marketing! (Sales 101- 90% of all sales are based on feelings)
Rolex has creatively mastered marketing by making people "feel" they're part of some elitist, uber upper class clientele when they can buy a Rolex, when in reality, the watch isn't any better than an Omega and in some cases inferior.
Most Rolex owners can't even tell you what mvt it has, but they can tell you how much they paid.
All watches could be considered silly purchases.
Maybe some Rolex owners are the most sincere watch fans because they know how Rolex is viewed but they choose to wear them anyway because they appreciate the history and contributions to watchmaking.
Maybe watch enthusiasts who put down Rolex wearers for being snobs are acting like snobs.
We go round and round on beating up Rolex. Certainly there are people like the ones you describe. Everyone's on a journey. Just wear what you like, even if other people like it.
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winndixie
·Rolex is a great watch, but...
Most Rolex owners can't even tell you what mvt it has, but they can tell you how much they paid.
Reciting a movement number means very little. I saw the details when I purchased but otherwise, who cares. You buy a Rolex or Omega and you know you are buying a nice watch. I can look up the details to tell you that the movement is 3235 but that means very little to me... As does 3861. I guess it matters if you want the new watch to have a movement equal or nearly so to the original. I have learned 3861 incorporates a coaxial escarpment which supposedly reduces friction and increases service intervals. I guess it would mean more if I were a serious collector looking at all the ins and outs of a particular prize. I am collecting based on how pretty though...haha
I paid $9,600. The newer watch price (because of the price of gold?) has increased to $11,100... Maybe I can break even on mine. hahaha.
I am thinking I should have just gone with the smooth bezel. I see older Rolexes for sale and the white Rolesor gets worn down, losing the sharp cut protrusions. Oh well.
I bought my watch in 2020. I couldn't tell you if it has a Parachrom hairspring.
Anyway, knocking someone who doesn't know what movement a particular watch has is kind of an off standish attitude.
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Felix_La_PuBelle
·Let us draw a Venn diagram with two circles. One circle is labeled “watch nerds”, the other is labeled “Rolex owners.” The overlap in the middle is labeled “comfortable spending the money.”
Also tried to put the above into an AI image generator and got a poor result. It was a free AI generator so I got what I paid for.
Also tried to put the above into an AI image generator and got a poor result. It was a free AI generator so I got what I paid for.
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Felix_La_PuBelle
·Let us draw a Venn diagram with two circles. One circle is labeled “watch nerds”, the other is labeled “Rolex owners.” The overlap in the middle is labeled “comfortable spending the money.”
Also tried to put the above into an AI image generator and got a poor result. It was a free AI generator so I got what I paid for.
Much better result from different generator:
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