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Sp33dyGuy
·Two side-by-side listings on C24 from the same seller, of two unused watches in the same position. It’s easy to tell which dial is the old vs new style based on line thickness alone.
Snoopy 2025 production issues?
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pdxleaf
·I can assure you that they do not regularly update the photos of these dials...so when looking at details like are being discussed here, you can't use this as any type of guide.
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ErichPryde
··Seamasters ForeverI guess that is if Omega sees that image as the basis for their QC checks. I'm going to guess that isn't the basis - there is a near certainty that there is an engineering drawing of the dial and likely of that specific feature that serves as the basis for comparison.
I get the point that you are making. Whatever metric Omega uses, this amount of variation in an engraving that isn't "hand made" would not be acceptable in many other Industries that produce similar products. Quality control expectations around specific Industries exist because of (in many cases) long established QC standards, and it would be disingenuous on omega's part to deny that the visual difference is an issue because they are producing watches, not coins (or whatever).
Now regardless of what I just said, I still do think that Omega will not acknowledge this issue loudly and will likely replace dials for customers as they are requested.
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bsowers34
·Poll. Who here that actually has one cares one way or the other?
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI get the point that you are making. Whatever metric Omega uses, this amount of variation in an engraving that isn't "hand made" would not be acceptable in many other Industries that produce similar products. Quality control expectations around specific Industries exist because of (in many cases) long established QC standards, and it would be disingenuous on omega's part to deny that the visual difference is an issue because they are producing watches, not coins (or whatever).
Now regardless of what I just said, I still do think that Omega will not acknowledge this issue loudly and will likely replace dials for customers as they are requested.
In terms of what Omega will do, I cannot speak for them obviously, but I do think you are going to be disappointed.
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reverbtime
·Poll. Who here that actually has one cares one way or the other?
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kidnamedomega
·Poll. Who here that actually has one cares one way or the other?
If they tell me they’ll replace the dial for free, I’ll think about it. Ideally that would be something I could elect to do down the line, but I don’t really know what would happen if the watch went out of production let’s say in 1-2 years, and how that may affect its ability to receive a service dial replacement.
Don't have one, but no poll is necessary. Pretty sure most Snoopy owners care right now which variation they got.
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Evitzee
·Poll. Who here that actually has one cares one way or the other?
The problem with all of this is 99.9% of the people who have a Snoopy have never seen another one in the flesh and really have no basis to compare theirs to. Trying to compare their Snoopy as it appears under a loupe (or naked eye) to a pic on their phone, tablet or monitor, no matter how high the resolution, is not going to give a true picture of how their dial really stacks up with others that look better than theirs in a pic.
I doubt many will be able to petition Omega to give them a new dial, and if they did you have no assurance it will pass your own test of what is acceptable. It could be worse.
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bsowers34
·It depends on the individual and their tolerance for these sorts of details......those that are ultra critical of any flaw (real or perceived) could be upset. Those whose dial looks great with all lines present and distinct, stars all distinct and showing their points, an overall look that presents itself as a subdial that is a stamped and machined silver/enamel affair and not some sort of a printed applique will be happy and not care.
The problem with all of this is 99.9% of the people who have a Snoopy have never seen another one in the flesh and really have no basis to compare theirs to. Trying to compare their Snoopy as it appears under a loupe (or naked eye) to a pic on their phone, tablet or monitor, no matter how high the resolution, is not going to give a true picture of how their dial really stacks up with others that look better than theirs on a pic.
I doubt many will be able to petition Omega to give them a new dial, and if they did you have no assurance it will pass your own test of what is acceptable. It could be worse.
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kidnamedomega
·If you think it’s fine, then I wouldn’t worry about what other people are saying. But you shouldn’t be surprised that some people will find this completely unacceptable (not speaking for myself, but I suspect there are folks at their OBs right now freaking out).
#zippergate
#zippergate
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ErichPryde
··Seamasters Forever
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BlackTalon
··This Space for RentWTF has Omega done now? Many of the lines and colors are changed on a newer unit. QC is apparently in the proverbial shitter...
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ErichPryde
··Seamasters Forever[/QUOTE]
Spectacular.
See, this is the situation where I can get behind variation in design.
wait a minute...
WTF has Omega done now? Many of the lines and colors are changed on a newer unit. QC is apparently in the proverbial shitter...
Spectacular.
See, this is the situation where I can get behind variation in design.
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Ron_W
·Grown-ups quibbling over a cartoon......... lets hope it does not turns into cats vs dogs 🤪
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ErichKeane
·SO I spent a bit more time thinking about this, as my theory on the die wear didn't explain the stars.
I think I've determined this is EITHER: 1- Setting the die-depth 'less' (that is, a lighter strike), or 2- grinding more material off.
They might even have done this intentionally to make the stars show up better, which it would do!
Alternatively they did it by accident: either tearing down the setup and re-setting it up (and just not getting the depth the same for a variety of reasons), or over time as the BACK of the die wore against the press. I sorta doubt the latter as we'd see progressively worse/better dials come out during the transition.
I think I've determined this is EITHER: 1- Setting the die-depth 'less' (that is, a lighter strike), or 2- grinding more material off.
They might even have done this intentionally to make the stars show up better, which it would do!
Alternatively they did it by accident: either tearing down the setup and re-setting it up (and just not getting the depth the same for a variety of reasons), or over time as the BACK of the die wore against the press. I sorta doubt the latter as we'd see progressively worse/better dials come out during the transition.
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kidnamedomega
·I sorta doubt the latter as we'd see progressively worse/better dials come out during the transition.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI think I've determined this is EITHER: 1- Setting the die-depth 'less' (that is, a lighter strike), or 2- grinding more material off.
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ErichKeane
·The stars are essentially cones…they get bigger the closer you get to the bottom. So one question for you…do you think a lighter strike causes a larger star?