Snail dial 5699 (or 23086) just sold (-edit- The 5699/23086 thread)

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Mark020

·Jun 3, 2024·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

Interesting to see this nice snail dial just sold for USD 78.125 incl. fee. Link: click. I know specifics of 51 examples but have only 1 other snail dial on record, which sold for EUR 156k in 2019 (see: click). Cleaner dial but replaced minute hand and not matching (also perhaps relumed as well and what about the right index print...)! Of the 51 I know at least 6 are not matching (but 1 could potentially be rematched) and even the one in the Longines museum is not(!) so this is a bit of a known issue with 5699's 😉

Anyway: (very) well bought I think.

Pics of both:

Edited: Jun 3, 2024

 

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DirtyDozen12

·Jun 3, 2024

I agree, $78K USD seems a bit low when compared with the $62K USD that the example below sold for just 2 days earlier, on June 1. Maybe better photos would have helped the No. 266 (snail tachy). Or maybe the light patina put people off.

Souce: https://catalog.antiquorum.swiss/en/lots/longines-ref-5699-lot-369-106?page=1&q=longines

 

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Mark020

·Jun 3, 2024·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

I won’t be surprised if it will show up - after a service and with new plexi - at Menta or so for 100k

 

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Larry S

·Jun 3, 2024·Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.

I keep forgetting on occasion that EU uses decimals for commas. Did a double take. $78 bucks?????? 😲 Just lovely.

 

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Mark020

·Jun 4, 2024·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

The Monaco one was published in Goldberger (2nd print I assume which I don’t have) so that may explain part of the premium paid

 

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Mark020

·Jun 5, 2024·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

This Monaco one was sold in 2010 for USD 20k 😁 https://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=45604291

 

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Mark020

·Jun 15, 2024·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

Fresh to the market and one digit away (on both serial and lug number): https://www.shucktheoyster.com/portfolio/longines-sommatore-centrale-13zn-vintage-chronograph-5699/

 

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Johannes11

·Jun 15, 2024

Mark020

Fresh to the market and one digit away (on both serial and lug number): https://www.shucktheoyster.com/portfolio/longines-sommatore-centrale-13zn-vintage-chronograph-5699/

Your collecting is so impressive, what with your number situation...
If you weren't from up north I would consider you an amazing person.

 

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Mark020

·Jun 21, 2024·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

I just like to collect numbers 😁

Mark020

I won’t be surprised if it will show up - after a service and with new plexi - at Menta or so for 100k

And indeed

 

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Mark020

·Aug 18, 2024·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

Fresh to the market: #163 https://www.instagram.com/reel/C-wTWfNugku/

 

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Larry S

·Aug 18, 2024·Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.

13zn, Nina, Clapton…… grails that sadly will never see my wrist.

 

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SWmania

·Aug 18, 2024

Larry S

13zn, Nina, Clapton…… grails that sadly will never see my wrist.

Maybe one day... we can all dream!!

 

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Mark020

·Oct 16, 2024·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

Intruiging one on ebay: https://www.ebay.it/itm/225985299029. Case only. CB 250 and case 132 so mismatching which is IMHO an indication that they were owned by 'something' which had a (large) number of them.

Not the first case only sale. This only sold for a much lower price. I would have perhaps acquired this would I have seen it earlier. https://www.ricardo.ch/de/a/longines-13zn-12-case-1231936912/

The font of the '371' inscription seems to be identical. Delivery date of these watches will have been (around) 1947. All 23086's with delivery indicated I know of were to the USA. These 2 cases are both from Europe. As stated above I assume they will have been owned by an army or company. I found this unit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/371st_Bombardment_Squadron to be (re)actived in 1946, part of the Strategic Air Command, so perhaps this is were they came from. Intruiging stuff.

 

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Mark020

·Nov 13, 2024·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

And another one: https://catalog.antiquorum.swiss/en...-23086-lot-313-258?browse_all=1&page=1&q=5699 So we now have 371 (#250), 371G (#44) and 372E (#230). I don't see real pattern ;-)

 

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Mark020

·Feb 22, 2025·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

Market is soft. Last year asking for this one was EUR 34k and now it is EUR 20k. Granted: not the best example but not too long ago Shuck sold a (factory) redial for 22k or so. https://www.shucktheoyster.com/portfolio/longines-sommatore-centrale-13zn-vintage-chronograph-5699/

 

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Mark020

·Apr 18, 2025·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

Fresh to the market: #325: https://live.antiquorum.swiss/lots/view/1-AGSBYT/longines Estimate is of course very low: this is an average example but EUR 15k?

 

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Mark020

·Sun. 2:13pm·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

This ^^ one sold for CHF 26k excl 25% fee. Well sold I think in the current market (given the average quality)

Another 5699 was at sold at the same auction but with (disclosed) wrong dial and movement. I could have lived with that but not for the price paid, mainly because I was unsure about the dial. It sold for CHF 6k excl. fee. Link: https://live.antiquorum.swiss/lots/view/1-AGSBYP/longines

 

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qiushui

·8:21pm yesterday

Mark020

这^^售价为 26k 瑞士法郎，不含 25% 的费用。我认为在当前市场上卖得很好（考虑到平均质量）

另一枚 5699 在同一场拍卖会上售出，但（披露的）表盘和机芯错误。我本可以接受它，但不能接受所支付的价格，主要是因为我对表盘不确定。它以 6 瑞士法郎的价格售出，不含费用。链接： https://live.antiquorum.swiss/lots/view/1-AGSBYP/longin

 

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qiushui

·8:25pm yesterday

Mark020

这^^售价为 26k 瑞士法郎，不含 25% 的费用。我认为在当前市场上卖得很好（考虑到平均质量）

另一枚 5699 在同一场拍卖会上售出，但（披露的）表盘和机芯错误。我本可以接受它，但不能接受所支付的价格，主要是因为我对表盘不确定。它以 6 瑞士法郎的价格售出，不含费用。链接： https://live.antiquorum.swiss/lots/view/1-AGSBYP/longines

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这个表盘、机芯和表壳都非常吸引人，但它们被错误地组合在一起。

 

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SWmania

·8:29pm yesterday

这个表盘、机芯和表壳都非常吸引人，但它们被错误地组合在一起。

qiushui

I guess the above translates to :
"
The dial, movement and case are all very attractive, but they are put together incorrectly.
"

Please, write in English next time. English isn't my native language as well, yet it's default.
And yes, Mark020 states it was disclosed it came with an incorrect dial and movement.

Although all things considered, hammer price was not bad. If you think of it as the sum of its parts...