SM300 Help

bags1971 · Dec 9, 2020

Hi All,

I need some help regarding the SM300 bought in 1968

I wont bore you with all the details but following on from my last thread a member and I agreed a deal on selling the watch.

After some delay with post office the watch arrived with him today

He had several concerns regarding the watch

1st was the bezel said its not original to the watch its a much later bezel 1969 onwards

2nd its a service dial

3rd its been relumed as the 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock markers are slightly to the left

I have agreed a full refund on return

Once the watch is back in possession I want to be 100% certain its all correct before I list it for sale again and wanted other members thoughts.

I'm pretty certain its all ok and is how it left the factory

It does have a extract stating it was produced on 20th December 1966

Shabbaz · Dec 9, 2020

Why does he think the bezel is from 69? Because of the 300 bezel table? By the way, who made this chart? Was it a OF member?

Oku · Dec 9, 2020

Shabbaz
By the way, who made this chart? Was it a OF member?

Original post:
For the bezel, see https://omegaforums.net/threads/seamaster-300-bezels.36357/

Seaborg · Dec 9, 2020

I think your watch is 100% original and is as it left the factory...

janice&fred · Dec 9, 2020

The lume plots look original to me. Achim will know so best wait for him to see this thread 👍

simonsays · Dec 9, 2020

That chart is becoming a bugbear for me. There is no info on the sample size of watches for this info(I suspect quite small) Its a guide at best and in no way can it be used to discount the originality of a watch.

Your watch looks great, and that is defo not a re lume.

marco · Dec 9, 2020

Comparing your SM300 to mine which is also 65/66. I think your watch is completely genuine.
The bezel inlay table is only a helpful rough estimate.
Who knows what has happened in the past during a service, back in the day nobody would be concerned or notice their bezel font had changed.

Vintagewtchzilla · Dec 9, 2020

why did he buy the watch when he had concerns ?

set him to your internal "never again " list and forget him

the watch is totally fine for 68

all the info you need you can find here https://www.omegaseamaster300.com/

rote amazone · Dec 10, 2020

I own 4 SM 300 , your watch is 100% correct and in top quality. Round about 7000€

Davidt · Dec 10, 2020

I think the watch is completely fine (in fact I contacted the original seller just after you to make him an offer).

I had some concerns around the early hands and the ‘later’ bezel but then satisfied myself that they could be original.

watchyouwant · Dec 10, 2020

Lume is fine with me. Well kept example. Will easily find a proud owner. Kind regards. Achim

bags1971 · Dec 10, 2020

Thanks every one for the reply's and messages I'm 100% happy its all original

This post was not to have a swipe at the buyer I have nothing but 100% respect for them we have done several deals over the years.

I want everyone to be 100% happy with a watch or part they buy from me

Cuttysark · Dec 10, 2020

I confirm the previous messages concerning your watch. It is 100% original. The dial is perfect like the day it left the factory in this watch.
Have a good day 😀
Nico

speedamatuer · Dec 10, 2020

I don't like to be the dissenting opinion with so many in support of the watch as it is - but to me the dial at least is a service dial (note the later Omega logo and very small serifs on the numbers), or original to a very late 165024, which you say the movement number indicates it is not.

With the bezel as another indicator (note "indicator", I'm not saying it can't be on a '68 watch, but the excellent table pasted above helps me make a more informed decision in combination with the dial) if I were looking at buying I'd value as a nice watch that has had it's dial and bezel switched at service in the early 70s, which is to say it's very nice but not as it left the factory.

Below is an example of a very similar dial that came to me in a 165014-63. I believe it to be a service dial given Omega hadn't started using the new logo by March 1964 when the extract dated it to. It may not be exactly the same (serif on the tail of the 2 in 12 on both, but I can't see for sure one on the top of the 2 in yours), and it's difficult to do a proper comparison without pics of your dial out of the case, but I believe more similar to your dial than the original one also posted earlier in this thread.

As I say - just the opinion that I've formed from looking at a couple of different examples, I could well be wrong and if anyone else has examples of this dial in a '68 watch I'd love to see them!

bags1971 · Dec 10, 2020

speedamatuer
I don't like to be the dissenting opinion with so many in support of the watch as it is - but to me the dial at least is a service dial (note the later Omega logo and very small serifs on the numbers), or original to a very late 165024, which you say the movement number indicates it is not.

With the bezel as another indicator (note "indicator", I'm not saying it can't be on a '68 watch, but the excellent table pasted above helps me make a more informed decision in combination with the dial) if I were looking at buying I'd value as a nice watch that has had it's dial and bezel switched at service in the early 70s, which is to say it's very nice but not as it left the factory.

Below is an example of a very similar dial that came to me in a 165014-63. I believe it to be a service dial given Omega hadn't started using the new logo by March 1964 when the extract dated it to. It may not be exactly the same (serif on the tail of the 2 in 12 on both, but I can't see for sure one on the top of the 2 in yours), and it's difficult to do a proper comparison without pics of your dial out of the case, but I believe more similar to your dial than the original one also posted earlier in this thread.

As I say - just the opinion that I've formed from looking at a couple of different examples, I could well be wrong and if anyone else has examples of this dial in a '68 watch I'd love to see them!

If you go to the below
https://www.omegaseamaster300.com/

look at the 3rd from last photo in the gallery its identical dial to that watch

speedamatuer · Dec 10, 2020

bags1971
If you go to the below
https://www.omegaseamaster300.com/

look at the 3rd from last photo of the watch heads its identical dial to that watch

Agreed, and I'd love to know the production date of that watch, along with seeing a macro photo to look at whether there are any serifs - it appears not to have but it's low res. Like I said - I'm not certain of any of the above, just my opinion.

bags1971 · Dec 10, 2020

its due be delivered back this morning once in my hand ill check for serifs

On a note the watch was produced very late in 1966 20th December it was sold in 1968

Vintagewtchzilla · Dec 10, 2020

speedamatuer
I don't like to be the dissenting opinion with so many in support of the watch as it is - but to me the dial at least is a service dial (note the later Omega logo and very small serifs on the numbers), or original to a very late 165024, which you say the movement number indicates it is not.

With the bezel as another indicator (note "indicator", I'm not saying it can't be on a '68 watch, but the excellent table pasted above helps me make a more informed decision in combination with the dial) if I were looking at buying I'd value as a nice watch that has had it's dial and bezel switched at service in the early 70s, which is to say it's very nice but not as it left the factory.

Below is an example of a very similar dial that came to me in a 165014-63. I believe it to be a service dial given Omega hadn't started using the new logo by March 1964 when the extract dated it to. It may not be exactly the same (serif on the tail of the 2 in 12 on both, but I can't see for sure one on the top of the 2 in yours), and it's difficult to do a proper comparison without pics of your dial out of the case, but I believe more similar to your dial than the original one also posted earlier in this thread.

As I say - just the opinion that I've formed from looking at a couple of different examples, I could well be wrong and if anyone else has examples of this dial in a '68 watch I'd love to see them!

alone the amount of “ i belive “ is incredible and compared with refering to 15 year old info maybe not the best source of trust

believing is for the church but not for analysis...

speedamatuer · Dec 10, 2020

If you've got a stash of unserviced 1966 watches with that logo on the dials I'll happily change my mind?

bags1971 · Dec 10, 2020

I hope this put the dial question to bed once and for all been to a watch maker friend 100% not a service dial and he's worked on alot of these watches in his 30 years

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