Slightly odd 105.003-65 on eBay / 26554xxx serial

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Hi forum,

Earlier today, I've stumbled upon this slightly odd Speedy on eBay. Odd for various reasons and difficult to value...

- Dial shows spotting and loss of print, yet does have nicely intact lume plots. To me, the quality of the lume is suspicious, knowing the state of the dial. Looks like a relume? The seller did not respond to a question on whether it could have been relumed (yet).
- Movement appears not to be in too great a condition; perhaps water damage? That would also explain the state of the dial.
- Exceptionally high serial (26554xxx) for a 105.003-65, and confirmed with a recent extract.
- The experienced watch (part) seller made a clear effort to showcase the full set, which comes including filled out papers which appear perfectly genuine.

For posterity, please find the most important pictures from eBay below, supplemented by a few supplied by the seller. If the seller reads along; I hope you don't mind me sharing these. It will likely only attract more attention to your auction anyway. 馃槈

Part of auction:


Obtained later:


Either way, it is odd to see a watch that seems to have clear provenance (papers and extract) while at the same time looking like it is at best worth the sum of its parts. Given the dial, dinged-up DON and poor state of the movement, that value cannot be too high. But then again, the real value here sits in the exceptional serial and the fact that it comes with original papers. Hard to part something like this out...

I am very curious what you would value this at?
 
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The dokument look familiar. Something tells me this has been on eBay before without the watch.

Is the number scratched of the papers or is it digitally hidden?

Edit: No it is scratched off. Same on two of the pictures.

I鈥檓 confident to say that those papers did not come with this watch when it was sold.
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The dokument look familiar. Something tells me this has been on eBay before without the watch.

Is the number scratched of the papers or is it digitally hidden?

Edit: No it is scratched off. Same on two of the pictures.

I鈥檓 confident to say that those papers did not come with this watch when it was sold.

Ah, perhaps that is why this watch is "Unexpectedly relisted due to previous winner being unable to complete the purchase." Good shout on the papers not carrying the movement number!

Still, very odd that an ST 105.003 gets sold in the UK in 1969 with a movement number ending with a 6 and that an Omega Extract confirms delivery of one of the last ST 105.003's to the UK with a serial ending with a 6. It is either very well cobbled together, or very unfortunate for the papers to have lost its ink in that one crucial spot...

In answer to my own original question; I guess a valuation as parts makes most sense here.
 
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Just filled recently with an old blue pen... Adds no value to the watch. But the watch has value, for sure...
 
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Ah, perhaps that is why this watch is "Unexpectedly relisted due to previous winner being unable to complete the purchase." Good shout on the papers not carrying the movement number!

Still, very odd that an ST 105.003 gets sold in the UK in 1969 with a movement number ending with a 6 and that an Omega Extract confirms delivery of one of the last ST 105.003's to the UK with a serial ending with a 6. It is either very well cobbled together, or very unfortunate for the papers to have lost its ink in that one crucial spot...

In answer to my own original question; I guess a valuation as parts makes most sense here.
Pay only for the watch with extract if you like it, the papers are just paper. I though would only buy it if I could stand to live with the thought of "what else might have been cobbled together". You can find another one from a seller that doesn't leave you behind with shadows of doubt. Or in brief: makes you feel good.
 
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Pay only for the watch with extract if you like it, the papers are just paper. I though would only buy it if I could stand to live with the thought of "what else might have been cobbled together". You can find another one from a seller that doesn't leave you behind with shadows of doubt. Or in brief: makes you feel good.

Thanks for your great advice, @mr_yossarian!

To me, this has purely become an academic exercise. I would not be able to enjoy a dial like this one has and have considerable doubts about this set.
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Just filled recently with an old blue pen... Adds no value to the watch. But the watch has value, for sure...

Could be. That would beg the question why the movement number wasn鈥檛 just filled out fully readable either? Not sure how much sense this makes.
 
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What can explain the "bubbles" on the dial? Never saw that before... Too much sun?
What are these uncommon endlinks on a 1035?
 
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What can explain the "bubbles" on the dial? Never saw that before... Too much sun?
What are these uncommon endlinks on a 1035?

This dial damage also makes me wonder, curious whether anyone knows what causes it. No idea either, although the state of the movement doesn鈥檛 rule out water ingression.

I do wonder what you think is uncommon about the end links? The 506 is a standard combination with the 1035 and straight lug cases (19 mm lug width).
 
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Without better macros impossible to say, but that looks typically like air bubbles under a sticky adhesive/wrap...or that鈥檚 the first thing that comes to mind. It could be something else altogether...without better macros impossible to say...
 
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I do wonder what you think is uncommon about the end links? The 506 is a standard combination with the 1035 and straight lug cases (19 mm lug width).

Oups... I saw 508.... But 506 is obviously fine:whipped:
 
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Without better macros impossible to say, but that looks typically like air bubbles under a sticky adhesive/wrap...or that鈥檚 the first thing that comes to mind. It could be something else altogether...without better macros impossible to say...

Could be adhesive coming through the dial by witch it's held in place. I've seen italian "vintage" divers using wrong dials on wrong movemens with the tabs snapped off and being glued in place with various industrial glues or tapes... Usually it's a combination of a "great patina" dial with a stainless steel case and faux bakelite bezel.
What made me question most of the stuff i see on italian ebay as original and vintage is the problem with the two Milanese families of watchmakers that had access to 1000s of squale and epsa cases and their parts - pumping out perfect vintage pieces... I'm sure they didn't just stop on divers a nice "vintage" Speedy is likely something that could have been done by their hands.
 
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For completeness:



Not too many people fell for this one. That said, I鈥檇 still think the price achieved is on the high side.
 
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That bubbling looks just like a badly applied crystal protective sticker to me. In fact you can see the sticker edge in one shot. I agree that the attempt at deception with the papers means that the package or watch should not be trusted, but it actually looks ok otherwise, if a little tired. I would say that price was on the low side if in fact the dial is bubble free. It鈥檚 tired and dirty but looks pretty straight. The seller got what they deserved for trying to pass off the papers (which seem to start with a 3). Without those and the sticker it may have fetched another grand. When you back out the bracelet, the head was only 拢5k which isn鈥檛 a lot for for an extracted Ed White surely?

That said he has a trading name, Watchpartsfinder Ltd, and seems like a professional seller so perhaps there were major dial issues after all, there is certainly some index paint missing and my relume radar is pinging slightly.
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The times I have seen bubbling like that is when the dial has been varnished, I have a junk 145.012 dial with similar bubbling to that.