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[Showdown] Omega v Rolex
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·Although Omega's implementation may be part of the problem, it should be noted that both the 2 level and 3 level co-axial escapement designs were done by Daniels. He developed the 2 level design (which was the more problematic one) due to concerns about the thickness of the movement that some of the manufacturers he was trying to sell this idea to had.
Cheers, Al
Does Rolex even use the co-axial system or did they stick with the previous mechanism?
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerHas the thickness problem been solved? Since most master co-axila models Omwgs currently offers are on the thick side. Do these use 2 or 3 level designs?
Does Rolex even use the co-axial system or did they stick with the previous mechanism?
Daniels shopped the co-axial around to many watch companies, including Rolex PP, etc., but Omega was the only one to buy in. I think they saw it as a way of differentiating themselves from the competition, and on that level it appears to have worked.
Most other watch companies use the traditional Swiss lever escapement, but there are some other exotic escapements in use out there - AP has one for example.
Regarding the 2 or 3 level, due to issues with the geometry of the intermediate escape wheel and co-axial wheel teeth causing a build-up of sticky black residue on those teeth, Omega has abandoned the 2 level escapement and no longer makes watches that use it.
This residue would cause the watches to stop, sometimes only after a year or so of use. Although Omega found some ways to mitigate this problem and have a reasonable service interval in most cases, the fundamental geometry issue still persists on these watches. All current production are 3 level escapements, and to me that speaks volumes.
Clearly Omega is not concerned with the growing thickness of their watches, and some of this is due to the movements, but also the case construction plays a big part (transparent case backs).
Cheers, Al
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·Daniels shopped the co-axial around to many watch companies, including Rolex PP, etc., but Omega was the only one to buy in. I think they saw it as a way of differentiating themselves from the competition, and on that level it appears to have worked.
Most other watch companies use the traditional Swiss lever escapement, but there are some other exotic escapements in use out there - AP has one for example.
Regarding the 2 or 3 level, due to issues with the geometry of the intermediate escape wheel and co-axial wheel teeth causing a build-up of sticky black residue on those teeth, Omega has abandoned the 2 level escapement and no longer makes watches that use it.
This residue would cause the watches to stop, sometimes only after a year or so of use. Although Omega found some ways to mitigate this problem and have a reasonable service interval in most cases, the fundamental geometry issue still persists on these watches. All current production are 3 level escapements, and to me that speaks volumes.
Clearly Omega is not concerned with the growing thickness of their watches, and some of this is due to the movements, but also the case construction plays a big part (transparent case backs).
Cheers, Al
Did they issue an official recall or at least service these beyond their original warranty period?
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerDid they issue an official recall or at least service these beyond their original warranty period?
If it failed in the warranty period, they would service it for free, but if outside the warranty period I don't recall their being any extra servicing done. If it made it through the warranty period, and failed after that, you would pay for the service just like with any other fault.
No recalls...that's not really how the watch world works really...
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·If it failed in the warranty period, they would service it for free, but if outside the warranty period I don't recall their being any extra servicing done. If it made it through the warranty period, and failed after that, you would pay for the service just like with any other fault.
No recalls...that's not really how the watch world works really...
I presume numbers for a particular model are so small the it’s not the type of thing that makes the press. Example: MacBook keyboards with allegedly higher failure rate.
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI presume numbers for a particular model are so small the it’s not the type of thing that makes the press.
Well, the watch "press" won't bite the hands that feed them, so they are not going to report on this kind of thing. The regular press doesn't care, so the only place you find reports of this are on watch forums.
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·Very very very fond of that Zenith Defy. Jesus!
BUT...upon further examination of some online photos of the Defy Classic I have noticed that the indices/hour markers are cantilever fixed to the chapter ring and float above the dial. I think this was executed as part of the design elements of the skeleton dial structure and then to cut costs they kept the same approach for the blue sunburst dial.
I think it looks awful and cheap.
Don't think my Orbis HV is going anywhere (just need to dust it off a bit😀)...the Omega dial with the applied white gold indices/hours markers and sapphire case is on another level.
I would not choose the Zenith Defy Classic over a Globemaster either
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·RP - my third Omega is the DeVille HV. Your photos do it great justice!
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