[Showdown] Omega v Rolex

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I prefer my RMLE over my Daytona, though I'd pick the Daytona over the Speedy Pro. I buy the watch, not the brand.
 
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I would have to say a TAG link ( old and new ) bracelet would blow any Rolex bracelet out of the water. 馃槜

The this v that between brands is so school yard 馃う
 
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Omega had the superior cyclops and I will fight anyone who says different 馃榿. It's a shame they stopped making them.
 
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Well I have never seen a Rolex vs Omega discussion before on the OF...so I am thrilled to be posting on this topic for the first time馃榾

Replying to the OP @watchos: if you own the AT I would go with the new Railmaster as it is a more casual watch. The Explorer is a lovely watch and I adore mine, but it certainly has a more polished finished and will attract more attention. If you wear the AT on a bracelet I would think it would be pretty redundant vs the Explorer and I do think the AT has a better finished diall.

Tim from WatchBox put in quite an entertaining video yesterday with some fun comments on the Omega vs Rolex discussion...starts at 22m:15s

Really cool collection and video recommendation. Although I recently bought the AT bracelet I usually wear it on a NATO or rubber strap. The one thing I like about the Railmaster and Explorer is the brushed look. The AT on a bracelet is very shinny, imo.
 
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Really cool collection and video recommendation. Although I recently bought the AT bracelet I usually wear it on a NATO or rubber strap. The one thing I like about the Railmaster and Explorer is the brushed look. The AT on a bracelet is very shinny, imo.

I prefer my AT on a leather strap as well, never liked the AT bracelet very much. With the shiny SS bracelet I think it really over emphasized the black dial and bumblebee hand too much for me.

Ref my collection I have been thinking of selling the Orbis HV and Breitling and buying the new Zenith Defy Classic:

(I think this photo was from monochrome watches..not sure)

As my collection has grown, I have found that the Breitling and Orbis HV get at most a few days of wrist time every year. Still I will have to wait to see live the Orbis HV next to the Zenith to see which blue dial wins! My perception is that the Zenith would just be more of an all rounder.
Perhaps this Zenith might also enter your Railmaster, Explorer selection list!馃榾
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Rolex vs Omega....... honestly there is no better watch, they're both great and from a technical aspect its phenomenal to see Rolex actually start to be outside of their box, such as utilizing silicon components like the siloxi hairspring, other changes for them as well as the chronergy escapement and their new shock absorbers. Omega went down the same rabbit hole earlier than rolex did but that doesn't make them better, at the end of the day these watchmakers all rely on each other. It was PP, swatch group, and rolex that were the only companies at the time who could embrace these changes in technology and be successful industrializing it. To be apart of a small group such as that and using groundbreaking materials makes you a part of the best watchmakers out there but not THE BEST in my view.
 
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I think the worst part about Omega is that their divers are needlessly big and thick, I am bit of serious flipper and I went through a lot of Rolexes 16710/16610/14060/114060/16570 and I owned 3 Speedmaster Professionals, 1 SMPc, 41.5 8500 AT and I currently have vintage CK2998. All the Omega watches are too big and thick, I really like PO but even 42 is big, 2nd thing I dislike is the outer AR, I understand that it's there to provide better readability but it's not made to last and once you pick some hairlines it looks just bad that along with poorer value retention makes me unable to find anything in current collection to desire. I feel like Rolexes are made in more appropriate and comfortable sizes, without gimmicky outer AR and retain their value better.
 
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. All the Omega watches are too big and thick, I really like PO but even 42 is big, 2nd thing I dislike is the outer AR, I understand that it's there to provide better readability but it's not made to last and once you pick some hairlines it looks just bad that along with poorer value retention makes me unable to find anything in current collection to desire. I feel like Rolexes are made in more appropriate and comfortable sizes, without gimmicky outer AR and retain their value better.

The 42mm 8500 series PO's were horrible in terms of looks. Even though the movement was upgraded, the watches were way too thick and unwearable. The 2500 series 42mm PO's were the best ones.
 
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On paper, the Omega wins but for me, Rolex is the clear winner. The build quality/tolerances of a modern Rolex bracelet, the click of the bezel on the ball-bearing setup, the thinness of everything combined with that level of rigidity, the level of accuracy/regulation of their movements..... you'd have to hold a Rolex in one hand and an Omega in another to understand what I'm on about. It's inexplicable.

I have one of each and they're both very well built, but in my case the Rolex is better regulated out of factory, being almost a Quartz (-0.2s/day). I get +1.2s/day with the Co-axial 9300, which is still good. In overall build quality I don't think the difference is huge, but a few aspects can be nicer on Rolex (plus one extra year of warranty, 4 vs 5).

Omega totally destroys Rolex in presentation/boxes. The cases are great, while the Rolex ones look like something out of a happy meal 馃槣
 
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Major fan of my new smpc. Haven鈥檛 been able to take it off my wrist.

A good amount of my friends have rolex. 4 of them to be exact.

I will not be a 5th. lol (only because I鈥檓 a major fan of omega, none of my friends have one)

I do like rolex, but just not enough to sell my Omega鈥檚 an buy one
 
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Omega Railsmaster vs Rolex Explorer

I know the topic of Omega vs Rolex has been rehashed so many times. My online research usually gave an edge to Rolex for having in house movements vs ETAs. Now that Omega has had their new Co-axial Metas certified calibers for a couple of years, I wonder if the Rolex still has any type of edge.

Here's some basic stats for the Railmaster and Explorer:

Case diameter: 40 | 39 mm
Antimagnetic: Yes | No
Water Resistant: 15 | 10 Bar
Anti-shock: Not mentioned | Yes
Caliber: 8806 | 3112
Caliber manufacturer: Both in house
COSC: Yes for both.

I've always been completely against Rolex, not so much for their quality but because of the brand itself. For some reason, it just feels that the brand rubs off in the wrong way to certain people who wear it. Don't want to start a flame war, but rather understand the why behind "Rolex is a Rolex". For the first time ever, I am considering getting one and hence wanted to get your perspectives related to these two watches.

I chose the above two models since they seem to be very similar in size, style, and technical qualities.

Here's some comments I've seen around the inter-webs(not paraphrased) in favor of Rolex:

- Rolex uses traditional materials on a proven caliber for this watch.
- Rolex manufacturing and quality control are second to none.
- Rolex watches tend to increase in value over time. Or least not decrease.
- Rolex doesn't experiment as much with their movements and hence very dependable and easily serviced.
- Omega experiments a bit more with the calibers and had initial quality problems with their Co-axial models when they first came out(not the related to the Metas ones).
- Rolex used a special type of steel that makes it last longer and more resistant to the elements.

I've had a Speedmaster and Aquaterra for almost a year and both have been doing great. Not sure what else Rolex could offer.

Only thing about the Explorer si like is the dial. Much cleaner and simpler.

Source: Pictures and stats taken from the Omega and Rolex websites.

I only offer my view on these 2 specific models you've chosen, the Explorer and Railmaster. To me, the Explorer is the clear winner. Classic, iconic, a perfect balance of dress and sporty-ness. Definitely not the in your face kind of Rolex, in fact most people would question why you pick the Explorer, but that only reflect their shallow understanding of Rolex beyond the Sub/DJs.

The Railmaster, well, my biased view is that it is unattractive. This is of course my own opinion: the Omega font and numerals does not fit in with the aged look effect of the markers, they look too modern, and too 'Comic sans'. The '12' being so much bigger than the Omega logo. In the Explorer, the 12 is replaced by a single arrow marker, while the Railmaster has 4 things going on: an arrow marker, a 12, Omega logo and the word Omega. When you line all 4 of this vertically, it is uncomfortable to look at. Crosshairs also seemed unnecessary: doesn't even cross a substantial area of the dial. 'Rail-master Co axial...' looks attractive, but there is too much going on on the dial. Hands could be slightly thinner and sharper like a dress watch's, not as iconic as Mercedes hands. I do however like the gray textured dial, which is more interesting than Explorer's plain black dial.
 
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I prefer my AT on a leather strap as well, never liked the AT bracelet very much. With the shiny SS bracelet I think it really over emphasized the black dial and bumblebee hand too much for me.

Ref my collection I have been thinking of selling the Orbis HV and Breitling and buying the new Zenith Defy Classic:

(I think this photo was from monochrome watches..not sure)

As my collection has grown, I have found that the Breitling and Orbis HV get at most a few days of wrist time every year. Still I will have to wait to see live the Orbis HV next to the Zenith to see which blue dial wins! My perception is that the Zenith would just be more of an all rounder.
Perhaps this Zenith might also enter your Railmaster, Explorer selection list!馃榾
Very very very fond of that Zenith Defy. Jesus!
 
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I have one of each and they're both very well built, but in my case the Rolex is better regulated out of factory, being almost a Quartz (-0.2s/day). I get +1.2s/day with the Co-axial 9300, which is still good. In overall build quality I don't think the difference is huge, but a few aspects can be nicer on Rolex (plus one extra year of warranty, 4 vs 5).

Omega totally destroys Rolex in presentation/boxes. The cases are great, while the Rolex ones look like something out of a happy meal 馃槣
Good thing I don't wear the presentation boxes
 
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Omega Railsmaster vs Rolex Explorer

I know the topic of Omega vs Rolex has been rehashed so many times. My online research usually gave an edge to Rolex for having in house movements vs ETAs. Now that Omega has had their new Co-axial Metas certified calibers for a couple of years, I wonder if the Rolex still has any type of edge.

Here's some basic stats for the Railmaster and Explorer:

Case diameter: 40 | 39 mm
Antimagnetic: Yes | No
Water Resistant: 15 | 10 Bar
Anti-shock: Not mentioned | Yes
Caliber: 8806 | 3112
Caliber manufacturer: Both in house
COSC: Yes for both.

I've always been completely against Rolex, not so much for their quality but because of the brand itself. For some reason, it just feels that the brand rubs off in the wrong way to certain people who wear it. Don't want to start a flame war, but rather understand the why behind "Rolex is a Rolex". For the first time ever, I am considering getting one and hence wanted to get your perspectives related to these two watches.

I chose the above two models since they seem to be very similar in size, style, and technical qualities.

Here's some comments I've seen around the inter-webs(not paraphrased) in favor of Rolex:

- Rolex uses traditional materials on a proven caliber for this watch.
- Rolex manufacturing and quality control are second to none.
- Rolex watches tend to increase in value over time. Or least not decrease.
- Rolex doesn't experiment as much with their movements and hence very dependable and easily serviced.
- Omega experiments a bit more with the calibers and had initial quality problems with their Co-axial models when they first came out(not the related to the Metas ones).
- Rolex used a special type of steel that makes it last longer and more resistant to the elements.

I've had a Speedmaster and Aquaterra for almost a year and both have been doing great. Not sure what else Rolex could offer.

Only thing about the Explorer si like is the dial. Much cleaner and simpler.

Source: Pictures and stats taken from the Omega and Rolex websites.


The Explorer does have some robust anti-magnetic capabilities. Perhaps not at the level of 15.000 gauss but the addition of the Parachrom a few years ago and some other changes did increase shock and magnetic resistance. I think Rolex just doesn't make drastic changes all at once but rather small changes...they are publicized but not at the level of Omega. Omega is much more daring on their modernization of movements and components...then again they pay the price for that. The coaxial launch was a mess, the 8500 movements where great....if you don't mind the size of the watches that encase them. No doubt the coaxial movement got a great marketing push, and even more the master coaxial movements which is one of the things that attracted me to my AT...but omega lost face with some of the 2500 A, B, C issues and definitely lost face with the puck sizing of the PO line on the 8500...and I say this without malice. My AT is still one of my favorites, and the 2500 PO iteration is an aesthetically perfect line.

Also Omega's technological and design advances got somewhat diminished by the exorbitant iterations of anything that has success and the unlimited Limited editions. In effect, in my view, they devalued the brand by hyper commercializing it. Maybe unfair because business is business and, let's face it, Rolex does it's fair share of product placement and gimmicky content, but overall they remain somewhat more consistent in message. Hence their perceived value. (I won't tackle their actual value)
 
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The coaxial launch was a mess, the 8500 movements where great....if you don't mind the size of the watches that encase them. No doubt the coaxial movement got a great marketing push, and even more the master coaxial movements which is one of the things that attracted me to my AT...but omega lost face with some of the 2500 A, B, C issues and definitely lost face with the puck sizing of the PO line on the 8500...and I say this without malice. My AT is still one of my favorites, and the 2500 PO iteration is an aesthetically perfect line.
What exactly happened? I've read a lot of the disaster but not sure how bad it could have gone. I too love my AT with it's new master co-axial, but didn't know there was a dark past in that type of movement. I presume this happened pre-Metas cert.
 
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Boy, my poor 42mm PO with 8500 movement is getting beat up here. I love mine. I bought one 3 years ago and eventually gave it to my son. I missed it and bought another 6 six months ago. Both watches have been great.
I rotate between my PO and my BLNR. The thickness doesn鈥檛 bother me. I did put an adjustable clasp on though.
I have 2 Rolexes and love them as well. I wear what I like and I like what I have now.
 
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What exactly happened? I've read a lot of the disaster but not sure how bad it could have gone. I too love my AT with it's new master co-axial, but didn't know there was a dark past in that type of movement. I presume this happened pre-Metas cert.
Someone else can get into the more technical side of it but the basic jest is that when they took the coaxial movement concept they decided to modify it and they messed up a little in the process.

The original 2500 A has some problems that where addressed on the 2500 B and C iterations and finally resolved on the D. The exact issues varied. Someone like Archer can be a little more technical than me.

As I understand it the 8500 triple coaxial is closer to what the original design was.

This was years ago so don鈥檛 worry about your master coaxial. In fact I have had a couple of 2500 C and D and never had any issues and most you can see now won鈥檛 or if they did they where fixed at service a long time ago.

My point is not to disparage the 2500鈥檚 or Omega, my point is the price on pushing ahead and away from sticking to what works is that you are exploring new things, and with innovation comes failure along with success. This is to their credit, but some people rather have a proven and reliable movement over testing new things.

That鈥檚 why some people would rather have an ETA based Panerai for example, over an in house movement one
 
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Boy, my poor 42mm PO with 8500 movement is getting beat up here. I love mine.
It鈥檚 a beautiful watch, and very photogenic. I actually bought one but sold it when I got the LMLE. My issue is that it鈥檚 thickness getsalittle on the way of balance both aesthetically and comfort-wise. The basic PO still remains an elegant watch but it鈥檚 not well balanced (to my taste). The chronos I don鈥檛 like.

I have nothing against large watches, I actually had an XL 2500 PO and even at its size I like it鈥檚 balance over the 42 8500. It鈥檚 simply too tall imo. Even on your pic you can tell the lugs and upper case are not touching your wrist. It鈥檚 like it鈥檚 floating over the wrist rather than sitting on it.

I have the same issue with the Tudor black bay. Gorgeous watch but a little off. In that sense the PO is better because , specially on steel bracelet, it hides better it鈥檚 thickness by the way the thicker part on the lower part disappears into the wrist, while the black bay having a flat underside can only stand vertical.

This thickness issue is specially onerous on NATO or thinner straps.
 
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Someone else can get into the more technical side of it but the basic jest is that when they took the coaxial movement concept they decided to modify it and they messed up a little in the process.

The original 2500 A has some problems that where addressed on the 2500 B and C iterations and finally resolved on the D. The exact issues varied. Someone like Archer can be a little more technical than me.

As I understand it the 8500 triple coaxial is closer to what the original design was.

Although Omega's implementation may be part of the problem, it should be noted that both the 2 level and 3 level co-axial escapement designs were done by Daniels. He developed the 2 level design (which was the more problematic one) due to concerns about the thickness of the movement that some of the manufacturers he was trying to sell this idea to had.

Cheers, Al
 
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I suppose it's human nature to want to have this debate. They both make excellent watches, and they are both overpriced given that counterfeiters are able to produce faux Submariners of such high quality now with excellent mechanical movements that one must nearly be an expert to identify the fakes, and those fakes can be made and sold for a few hundred dollars. Think about it.