Should we buy this for the pushers?

Probably not, and probably not from a 17 Peruvian Feed back seller....But hey, we have to talk about something.

Here is the listing

I hope I am not raining on anyone's Parade but I think its already passed the Value as Parts price, and it is from Peru, and it is from a low feedback seller (Only one of those 17 feed-backs is as a seller)....and its more fun to watch it end, so here is a 105.003-65...sort of

The sharp eyed amongst you will see the short indices dial with whitish plots. So that's wrong. But I do see a step...And an applied logo. It could be those plots are so white as any lume has been removed, but the photo is too bad to tell.

This is incorrect specification for a factory released watch so the two possibilities are a re dial, or a service dial. If it is a service dial its very rare.

What made this a side step into interesting territory was the pushers, seen here:


Could those be 105.012 pushers?

If so, have they been damaged by forcing them into a threaded 105003 case or is it a push-fit case (rare).

Or are they just best fit pushers?

I must be honest, I have glanced through this and decided that at $3000+ that this will end up from and coming from Peru, I am not in the mood for this risk. However I have had some gems from Peru, and they arrived safely, not all sellers are bad.

So possible rare dial, possible rare and valuable pushers, in a polished case with uncertain movement. And yes it has a DO90 but its a Meteor DO90 and those dont seem to sell like they used to

I wish the buyer the best of luck!

Rest of the listing photos for prosperity:

As always @Spacefruit thanks for the education on how to spot problems or rarities. You should do more of these for those of us that love learning the nuances.

@Spacefruit William, what are your thoughts on 32 tooth crowns like the one fitted there? Are they always fitted at service or can they possibly be original? Obviously in this case the swapped pushed suggest the former but I am mean in general terms on Sixties models.

32 vs 24 tooth crowns on 105003's are something that sits in the back of my mind. I am not a hands on researcher like MWO crew , all I have to go on is observation and weight of evidence. I also keep in mind that just because something makes sense, doesn't make it accurate.

But the overriding feeling I have, is that it doesn't matter, in terms of value. A 24 tooth original crown can be found for between $250 - 450 and would be indistinguishable from one that had been there since new. I would never dismiss a watch on the crown alone, so again, it doesn't really matter a whole lot. It does of course matter that we note its presence and take it into account when valuing.

A watch where the ONLY question mark is the crown is very rare, so the question of the crown comes way down the list of value influences.

I am open to the idea that 32 tooth crowns were installed at the factory on new watches. (On 105.003's) but I have yet to observe any pattern that might explain, for example, those of a certain serial range or time.

I do prefer to see the 24 tooth crown, and yes, I have a little bag of them like all good hoarders should, and yes, I often (but not always) change them.

Thanks for bringing this one up, I have been following it and using it as a case-study for future purchases. Thought I may take a stab for education if it stayed below $2500 which it may. From your (@Spacefruit ) SPM101 site info I went with service dial because of AML and the placement of the T’s. The pushers show me I still have a lot to learn. Thanks!

Just make sure you understand the risks of a 1 feed back Peru seller.

You think there maybe risk? 😉
Of course, and that where PayPal comes in. But it just went over my $2500 educational limit so someone else will have the fun with this one. Only willing to gamble so much on this one. Again, thanks! The pusher comment was eye opening, guess I have to break down and buy Moonwatch Only.