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Jim W
路Seikomatic Silverwave, Starburst.
Seikomatics that I love
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Leeroy
路I've managed to track down a Blue Yacht!
But this one has a slightly different dial, I didn't know these existed before I spotted this one. No worries of a fragile chapter ring with this version 馃憤
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SOG53
路I've managed to track down a Blue Yacht!
But this one has a slightly different dial, I didn't know these existed before I spotted this one. No worries of a fragile chapter ring with this version 馃憤
Your Caseback ref no is 13034E. Mine is 13034. Wonder what difference is. Do you have inside Caseback photo for serial no?
Congrats it鈥檚 a beauty
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Leeroy
路Very nice
Your Caseback ref no is 13034E. Mine is 13034. Wonder what difference is. Do you have inside Caseback photo for serial no?
Congrats it鈥檚 a beauty
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ewand
路The E's started appearing sometime between April and June '61. Plus9 has a good article on them: https://www.plus9time.com/blog/2024...he-seiko-exterior-metric-standard-case-coding . I didn't know about this until I started researching this watch, more rabbit holes!
mine is also an E
From Sept 61...
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SOG53
路Mine is April 1961
Edit- for clarity I have added photos of dial and outer caseback
Edit- for clarity I have added photos of dial and outer caseback
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Fallout Boy
路I've managed to track down a Blue Yacht!
But this one has a slightly different dial, I didn't know these existed before I spotted this one. No worries of a fragile chapter ring with this version 馃憤
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Leeroy
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dapellegrini
路As @Leeroy mentioned, I've got these three:
Two of them cleaned up fairly well, but they all have some damage - here's the main two dial variants - minute hashes on the dial vs minute hashes on the inner bezel
This probably merit's it's own thread... From what I can tell there are at least 4 different dial variants, plus we see J13034 and J13024E case references + some have an E as the fifth line of text inside the case back. I don't mean to thread jack - and don't post as much on this board so not sure if I should post a ton of photos with additional info here?
Two of them cleaned up fairly well, but they all have some damage - here's the main two dial variants - minute hashes on the dial vs minute hashes on the inner bezel
This probably merit's it's own thread... From what I can tell there are at least 4 different dial variants, plus we see J13034 and J13024E case references + some have an E as the fifth line of text inside the case back. I don't mean to thread jack - and don't post as much on this board so not sure if I should post a ton of photos with additional info here?
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SOG53
路This probably merit's it's own thread... From what I can tell there are at least 5 different dial variants, plus we see J13034 and J13024E case references + some have an E as the fifth line of text inside the case back. I don't mean to thread jack - and don't post as much on this board so not sure if I should post a ton of photos with additional info here?
So far I have learned that
1. Blue Yachts are uncommon, produced only in 1961 and 1962
2. there are 2 different closely related reference numbers on outer caseback, J13034 and J13034E and the E reference is later
3. I have posted a J13034 with SN inside caseback of April 1961, and rumor has it that you have same non-E from March 1961, and others posted here with E ref are all later SNs
4. There are different dial variants, some with minute track on chapter ring, and some with minute track on dial.
5. There is reference to article by Anthony of Plus9time
So please share what else you have!
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dapellegrini
路Sorry, I mis-typed. Here are the 4 (not 5) dials I am aware of:
Dial #1 - w/ minute markers on dial. Dial Code (I believe) reads MAJ13 [hash] H207
Dial #2 - w/o minute markers on dial. Dial code MAJ13H207 SD
Dial #3 - w/ minute markers. Dial code MAJ13H207, no [hash] in the middle and no SD at the end
Dial #4 - w/ minute markers. MADE IN JAPAN above unknown dial code, and AD instead of SD glyph / logo!
Then we have 3 variations on the inside of the case backs...
Case back #1: No E anywhere
Case back #2: E as 5th line of text
Case back #3: E at end of model number
Dial #1 - w/ minute markers on dial. Dial Code (I believe) reads MAJ13 [hash] H207
- https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/o1199411815
- https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/p1205647162
Dial #2 - w/o minute markers on dial. Dial code MAJ13H207 SD
- https://jp.mercari.com/item/m61471947683
- https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m1205861719
- https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/j1196199564
- https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/t1187286528
Dial #3 - w/ minute markers. Dial code MAJ13H207, no [hash] in the middle and no SD at the end
- https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w1201140293
- https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b1198279181
- https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/h1189434960
- https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/j1186558901
- https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w1185583740
Dial #4 - w/ minute markers. MADE IN JAPAN above unknown dial code, and AD instead of SD glyph / logo!
- https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d1196977305
- https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/h1190597756
Then we have 3 variations on the inside of the case backs...
Case back #1: No E anywhere
Case back #2: E as 5th line of text
Case back #3: E at end of model number
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dapellegrini
路As for my examples... for further research:
March 1961, No-E
https://photos.app.goo.gl/KS1prUK4qV58hqiu6
June 1961, J13034E and MA / E
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LqqoKcSyKzJEEfAL8
August 1961, J13034E and MA / E
https://photos.app.goo.gl/4ip6a1FWENLX1V7UA
EDIT: If I was taking this just a little more seriously (and I still may find the bandwidth to do so) - I would save off the photos of each of those sales listings before they disappear - for posterity sake. It would make A LOT to go through in a thread like this!
March 1961, No-E
https://photos.app.goo.gl/KS1prUK4qV58hqiu6
June 1961, J13034E and MA / E
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LqqoKcSyKzJEEfAL8
August 1961, J13034E and MA / E
https://photos.app.goo.gl/4ip6a1FWENLX1V7UA
EDIT: If I was taking this just a little more seriously (and I still may find the bandwidth to do so) - I would save off the photos of each of those sales listings before they disappear - for posterity sake. It would make A LOT to go through in a thread like this!
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SOG53
路I would save off the photos of each of those sales listings before they disappear - for posterity sake. It would make A LOT to go through in a thread like this!
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dapellegrini
路Ya, it's going to take more data. @Leeroy surprised me with his discovery of a second dial type. I was even more surprised to find at least 4 dial versions - with 3 of those have significant differences beyond the dial code.
Where the E fits in is going to take more information - and I am curious to learn if the dials fit into specific date ranges and or E usage cases.
I think one challenge is going to be that some (many?) Seiko collectors swap parts - in this case I would not be surprised to learn of nicer case backs being swapped onto nicer dials - which further muddies the picture. The crusty, worn out examples are likely the most trustworthy.
I will follow along here - in case any more data points appear.
Where the E fits in is going to take more information - and I am curious to learn if the dials fit into specific date ranges and or E usage cases.
I think one challenge is going to be that some (many?) Seiko collectors swap parts - in this case I would not be surprised to learn of nicer case backs being swapped onto nicer dials - which further muddies the picture. The crusty, worn out examples are likely the most trustworthy.
I will follow along here - in case any more data points appear.
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Leeroy
路I don't think there's any correlation between the E's and the Blue Yacht dials, both were produced before and after May / June '61 when Seiko started their "Seiko Exterior E Standard" so both dials came in E and non-E cases. A few more models changed to E's around this time eg:
But we're drifting away from Seikomatics so probably will have to start a new thread to discuss whether the E stands for E Standard or not.
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dapellegrini
路Here's my 3 Silverwave Seikomatics - next to their slightly downmarket Sportsmatic counterparts...
