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Seamaster XVI in fair condition

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Hello,

I have been gifted my father's Seamaster VXI in what I would say is in fair condition. It has the Olympic emblem in red, with the seal on the face and embsossed on the back. My father bought it while he was in Korean. He originally got a rolex, but decided it was too bulky, and traded it for the Omega.

It was his everyday watch for decades. Unfortunately the laquored face shows it. It's faded. The laquor in one of the rings had fallen out, and there is a trangular pice hanging on for dear life. He also disgarded every original accompanyment. Hind sight he should have gotten something more durable and less collectable.

I can't sell or trade it while he's still alive, but I also can't see wearing it given the condition.

Are there any services that can be trusted to restore without ruining? Is it better to wait for him to pass and maybe trade it with a collector who can appreciate it the way it is or watch trading site? What would its value be.

The movement is in excellent condition and each piece seems to be signed. The jeweler who opened the back offered me $1,000 for it without know much about its significants.

I would like the opinions of people more learned than me on this subject.
 
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Pictures, without them we can't help you.
 
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Yeah, not my best title work, XVI, of course... What I get for typing on my phone after work...
 
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Pictures, without them we can't help you.

Pictures as promised. There also seems to be what looks like a hair-line crack near the base of the crystal.
 
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Well, the dial can be rescued...

It looks as if there were some more loose parts (round "filling" of the rings) - they can be secured cautiously with some glue.

I think that a skillful watchmaker can also fill the gap in the Olympic crest with white paint - this will not need the work of a dial restorer.

What makes me more worried is the poor condition of the case.

These 18K cases are very soft and they lose their nice chamfers just by wearing the watch on a regular basis.

The same is with the crest on the caseback.

The loss in definition of chamfers/bevels can not be restored without further loss of more material - the only way to restore the lines would be a professional lapping - but the watch will never look original again - lugs will be too narrow after the treatment, bezel too thin, etc.

The Olympic crest on the case back can not be restored.

The wrong crown can be replaced but original crowns are very hard to find.

Sorry for the bad news.
 
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Well, the dial can be rescued...

It looks as if there were some more loose parts (round "filling" of the rings) - they can be secured cautiously with some glue.

I think that a skillful watchmaker can also fill the gap in the Olympic crest with white paint - this will not need the work of a dial restorer.

What makes me more worried is the poor condition of the case.

These 18K cases are very soft and they lose their nice chamfers just by wearing the watch on a regular basis.

The same is with the crest on the caseback.

The loss in definition of chamfers/bevels can not be restored without further loss of more material - the only way to restore the lines would be a professional lapping - but the watch will never look original again - lugs will be too narrow after the treatment, bezel too thin, etc.

The Olympic crest on the case back can not be restored.

The wrong crown can be replaced but original crowns are very hard to find.

Sorry for the bad news.

Honestly it's better news than I expected. I realize there is nothing to be done about the case. Knowing that the dial doesn't need a full restore is great news. My challenge is locating a jeweler who can do the work.

Any recommendations?
 
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Let us know where you live and you will get good advice from a local member
 
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I am sure some helpfull member will chime in shortly.

I am sorry I can´t help because I live in Europe
 
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Do you like the watch or does it have intrinsic value to you? I wouldn't wear it often as a beater for example since it is 18k, very malleable and it is more of a collectible piece. Although, the case isn't as fair as you think - the lugs are in bad shape very soft and overly polished.

This is what the lugs with the correct crown would look like originally:

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Otherwise I think your best bet would be to sell it to someone here and let them worry about the restoration. Personally I'd love to acquire one of these and not touch the dial.
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Thanks for your insight Anj. It's a funny thing, all my life I had my eye on the watch. I was very pleased my father gifted it to me before his passing. Now that I have it, understand its condition and its collector value, I don't think I'm the right owner for it... I don't want to wear it in it's current state for fear of further deteriorating it. I would rather have something more durable to pass on (Omega or Rolex), but I can't part with it now.

When the time comes, what would be the appropriate way of connecting with this community for a sale or trade.
 
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Try Treiber & Straud Jewelers. They are an authorized Rolex dealer and have 2 watchmakers onsite and one is Omega trained according to their website. They have a reputation as some of the best watchmakers in the country from many sources. Not sure about the dial work though. I would take the watch to them and give explicit instructions on what needs to be done and also what you don't want done and let them tell you what they can do and what they will charge.
 
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Try Treiber & Straud Jewelers. They are an authorized Rolex dealer and have 2 watchmakers onsite and one is Omega trained according to their website. They have a reputation as some of the best watchmakers in the country from many sources. Not sure about the dial work though. I would take the watch to them and give explicit instructions on what needs to be done and also what you don't want done and let them tell you what they can do and what they will charge.
I will reach out to them, thanks!
 
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I don’t think the dial is that bad. The natural lacquer on these does tend to crack and yellow. Collectors understand this and expect it on this model.

Here is a video showing how a XVI dial is properly restored.

These are the people you want to restore the dial if you decide to have it done.
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I really don't understand the value of the watch. I am going to Treiber & Straud Jewelers the week after next (they are close to where I take my daughter for her self defense / fitness training, who knew?) in a week or two to see if they have the skill to restore the dial. My dilemma is do I restore to wear or trade for what I really want.

For reasons that are complicated, the sentimental value is not as high as it should be. Given that, do you think this this watch is equivalent in value to an aftermarket Rolex GMT Master or Master II? If I had it professionally restored, might it be equivalent or would that be too much of a gamble?

This would help me make an informed decision...
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My dilemma is do I restore to wear or trade for what I really want.
I'll echo what @gatorcpa says above: I don’t think the dial is that bad. Collectors understand this and expect it on this model.
If you think you'll trade the watch, leave it as is, unrestored. It is an uncommon watch so you'll need to target the vintage Omega collector market to achieve the maximum value. That market craves originality. As an alternative option to a trade, consider selling it through an auction house specializing in vintage watches.
 
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I realise not everyone is as emotionally connected to their watches as I am, and I don’t want to appear judgmental. But please be sure before selling/trading your father’s heirloom: this is a decision you very likely can’t take back.
 
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