Seamaster waffle

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It's bold because it's unqualified. The reasoning behind it was not explained.

Well, there are people in this thread saying it looks okay without substantiating that claim, going to call those out too? 😉

My own comment was unqualified as well… As is often the case, sometimes a dial just doesn't feel "right".
 
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I think there is / was lume in the hands?
I don’t like the dial though, it looks of!

Either it's lume that aged terribly or it's just black coloring. Not sure.
 
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My own comment was unqualified as well… As is often the case, sometimes a dial just doesn't feel "right".

I spent a few minutes thinking it over and my conclusion is that what feels off is that the Seamaster text, IMO, ought to be on the lower half of the dial as it is a center seconds variety and that the Seamaster font is wrong for the type of watch. Had it been a sub-seconds variant, I would have expected to see the more angular font.

If center seconds, manual winding variants with only text on the top half exist, I have yet to see it.

I guess this is a ref. 2759?
 
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I spent a few minutes thinking it over and my conclusion is that what feels off is that the Seamaster text, IMO, ought to be on the lower half of the dial as it is a center seconds variety and that the Seamaster font is wrong for the type of watch. Had it been a sub-seconds variant, I would have expected to see the more angular font.

If center seconds, manual winding variants with only text on the top half exist, I have yet to see it.

I guess this is a ref. 2759?
2759 is the sub second, the SC version is 2761 AFAIK. They are double marked with both numbers (which leads to confusion as some sellers label it incorrectly) but the OVD has the former using the 410 and the latter the SC 420. I agree all the online pics of the 2761 have the text lower down on the dial than the OP watch. Maybe it is a different ref, or a redial of course.
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I spent a few minutes thinking it over and my conclusion is that what feels off is that the Seamaster text, IMO, ought to be on the lower half of the dial as it is a center seconds variety and that the Seamaster font is wrong for the type of watch. Had it been a sub-seconds variant, I would have expected to see the more angular font.

If center seconds, manual winding variants with only text on the top half exist, I have yet to see it.

I guess this is a ref. 2759?

Now we're talking. In my previous post I had singled @seekingseaquest out, because I value his opinions (that goes for you too, BTW 😁) and was genuinely curious to know what his reasoning was. If it was an obvious redial I wouldn't expect any explanation of course. But I think we can agree that this one is not obvious, one way or the other.

In my original post I also tried to explain that I thought the Seamaster font was ok and that I did not think that the Seamaster text being up there was suspicious, namely because I was under the impression that non-automatic variants could have that text up there instead of "Automatic". This last assumption may be wrong, as you, and now, while I am writing this, @padders point out. But that still remains an open question, IMO.
 
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Now we're talking. In my previous post I had singled @seekingseaquest out, because I value his opinions (that goes for you too, BTW 😁) and was genuinely curious to know what his reasoning was. If it was an obvious redial I wouldn't expect any explanation of course. But I think we can agree that this one is not obvious, one way or the other.
@padders point out. But that still remains an open question, IMO.
I like to help posters, such as the OP, and I like to think I’m helpful pretty often. However, this isn’t my job, and I don’t have a ton of time to go into the specifics of every single watch to point out exactly why I feel that a watch is a redial or not. If I’m asked, especially if I’m asked nicely, I am happy to provide an explanation. Being called out for giving my opinion without valid backing is not so appreciated, but this is really for the OP, so of course I am happy to help.

Before giving my reasoning, I want to make clear that I’ve looked at enough of these dials that the process for identifying a redial has become largely subconscious. I don’t consciously think about most of these details when I judge a dial. This process takes time.

Anyway.. here we is my assessment:

I assume that this is either an automatic reference, in which case the dial is missing the word automatic (therefore redial), or more likely, it’s a 2761 center seconds manual wind reference. Send me a photo of the case back and I can tell you what reference it most likely is.

In my experience, the Seamaster text on 2761 is typically in the bottom half of the dial, so the configuration to me looks suspicious.

Additionally, in my experience, 2761 references typically have a seconds track in the inner part of the dial, rather than at the very outside of the dial. In my experience, most of these with an outer seconds track are redials. I can’t guarantee that’s always the case however.

Fyi, 2759 sub-second references typically have the Seamaster text in the top half of the dial and they typically have the minute track on the outside of the dial, similar to this watch.

Also, something about the lume color shouts re-lume. It could be the photos, but there seems to be a greenish hue. Often a relume is a good sign of a redial.

Lastly, I’m always overly suspicious when I see a nice clean white waffle dial, especially with discolored lume. Of course nice originals exist and this lume discoloration happens.

None of these things are things I would put money on. But all of it together makes me feel that it is more likely to be a redial than not.
 
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Oh and forgot to mention, if this is a 2761 reference, you will have a very difficult time finding a correct crown. I’ve never seen one for sale.
 
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Oh and forgot to mention, if this is a 2761 reference, you will have a very difficult time finding a correct crown. I’ve never seen one for sale.
Is this what you would consider the right crown for a 2761?

 
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The OP watch could be a 2814.

EDIT: ... which would be 32mm, so probably not.
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like to help posters, such as the OP, and I like to think I’m helpful pretty often. However, this isn’t my job, and I don’t have a ton of time to go into the specifics of every single watch to point out exactly why I feel that a watch is a redial or not. If I’m asked, especially if I’m asked nicely, I am happy to provide an explanation. Being called out for giving my opinion without valid backing is not so appreciated, but this is really for the OP, so of course I am happy to help.

Sorry if I offended you. You are coming across as quite arrogant, I am sorry to say.
 
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Sorry if I offended you. You are coming across as quite arrogant, I am sorry to say.

...between the two of you, yours are the posts that appear unflattering, I am sorry to say.
 
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There has been at times a culture in here of certain posters crying ‘Redial’ with zero explanation or justification. The worst offender was banned about 3 months ago. I can’t see that anyone in this thread has made anything other than a sincere expression of their opinion so I think we can stand down the attack dogs.
 
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Interesting. The watch I posted isn’t actually a 2761, it’s the Dennison equivalent so it doesn’t vex me if it’s incorrect but I was curious!
Ah, I just assumed. Not sure what’s correct on those.
 
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Ah, I just assumed. Not sure what’s correct on those.
No it's fine, my question was really about the crown I showed, whether it was the one you were referring to since it was clear you meant something other than the clover crown seen on the auto fat lugs like the 2577 and 2846. I wasn't trying to catch you out or make a smart ass point.