Seamaster pricing makes no sense to me

[noelekal]

JimInOz

I certainly hope that they are in chronological order, top to bottom/left to right.

They are! You have a good eye. The "King Daddy" Colt at the top is the uncommonly seen Colt Model 1905, the Model 1911's predecessor which introduced the .45 ACP cartridge. The rest begin with a 1916 vintage British military contract pistol in .455 S.L. and ends with the ugly two tone .38 Super that dates to 2020. All are Colts saving for a single Remington Rand U.S. contract Model 1911-A1 from 1944.

 

[ErichPryde]

Aroxx

2531.80 holds value because Pierce Brosnan is the best James Bond and GoldenEye kicks ass. Everybody wants the automatic version of that watch. Myself included.

He had one good movie, and then possibly the best pre credits opening sequence (Tomorrow). And... possibly Christmas was the best Bond girl...

 

[Aroxx]

ErichPryde

He had one good movie, and then possibly the best pre credits opening sequence (Tomorrow). And... possibly Christmas was the best Bond girl...

The. Best.






Disclaimer. I’m not being very serious. Daniel Craig stepped it up big time. But GoldenEye was the first Bond of my childhood so Pierce and that watch will always be the best for me.

 

[KingCobb]

ErichPryde

So.... isn't it a good thing that older models hold onto value? We can't have it both ways: they can't both be cheaper to purchase and hold onto value.

Also... gotta say there's something to a bit of bartering possibly going a long way. Just because it's listed at a certain price, doesn't mean you wind up paying that price.

Only if you sell......granted my green smp is my first truly high end watch, but i tend to keep em

 

[KingCobb]

ErichPryde

tooth bottom left is ziphodont. Allosaur? If not, what therapod? Nice fossils as a whole with the palm and the megalodon tooth.

T rex from Hell Creek.

 

[KingCobb]

Aroxx

The. Best.






Disclaimer. I’m not being very serious. Daniel Craig stepped it up big time. But GoldenEye was the first Bond of my childhood so Pierce and that watch will always be the best for me.

Timothy Dalton never gets any credit.....

 

[KingCobb]

noelekal

They are! You have a good eye. The "King Daddy" Colt at the top is the uncommonly seen Colt Model 1905, the Model 1911's predecessor which introduced the .45 ACP cartridge. The rest begin with a 1916 vintage British military contract pistol in .455 S.L. and ends with the ugly two tone .38 Super that dates to 2020. All are Colts saving for a single Remington Rand U.S. contract Model 1911-A1 from 1944.

I don't have a recent family photo, but the 2 I posted were a 1915 US military issue and a 1936 National Match.

I'll have to dig em all out of the safe and take a photo.

 

[ErichPryde]

KingCobb

Timothy Dalton never gets any credit.....

Well.... The Problem with License to Kill is that it was a GREAT 80s action film- but it shouldn't have been a Bond film. And the Living Daylights is kinda just ok (much, MUCH better than any of the Roger Moore films). But there's no doubt that The bond films were on a downward slide when Dalton took the helm, and neither he nor the scripts of his two films, did anything to change the general perception of James Bond in the public eye.


That said.... there's equally zero doubt that Brosnan's GoldenEye did absolutely supercharge Bond again. The strength of that movie and the weakness of the Brosnan's movies following that probably helped make Dalton's films look better- but if they had been the last, I don't think they'd be remember well.

Edited: Nov 8, 2023

 

[padders]

Personally I’m not a mad fan of the gen 2 version either, though they did introduce the black dial option with that release. Previously you had to get a sword hands model to get that. The third gen does feel like a step up in quality but lost the waves so on that basis alone is sub optimal despite the bezel etc improvement. For me the pecking order is:

1st Gen Blake
1st Gen Bond
4th Gen (current)
3rd Gen ie SMPc
2nd Gen ie 2500 red text.

I’ve owned them all bar G3, and am about to receive my first SMPc so maybe my opinion will change, we’ll see.

Edited: Nov 9, 2023

 

[KingCobb]

padders

Personally I’m not a mad fan of the gen 2 version either, though they did introduce the black dial option with that release. Previously you had to get a sword hands model to get that. The third gen does feel like a step up in quality but lost the waves so on that basis alone is sub optimal despite the bezel etc improvement. For me the pecking order is:

1st Gen Blake
1st Gen Bond
4th Gen (current)
3rd Gen ie SMPc
2nd Gen ie 2500 red text.

I’ve owned them all bar G3, and am about to receive my first SMPc so maybe my opinion will change, we’ll see.

The aluminum bezels take away to much to me compared to the the ceramic ones. 4th gen and 3rd gen all the way.

 

[gbesq]

KingCobb

The aluminum bezels take away to much to me compared to the the ceramic ones. 4th gen and 3rd gen all the way.

Ceramic bezels are very nice, but they aren't bulletproof. A hard impact can cause a ceramic bezel insert to crack or shatter. When that happens, much like a sapphire crystal, it's not an inexpensive fix. Aluminum will scratch and can dent, but it won't break.

 

[ATXWatch]

If I may...I owned a 4th gen SMP300 for 2.5 years. Along the way, I realized I didn't like the way it wore. So I spent lots of money on straps which never really solved the problem. So technically and mechanically it is the best version of the SMP300 ever made, but it didn't work for me.

So I bought a 2531.80 and despite not being Metas certed, despite not having a ceramic bezel, despite not being coaxial, it WEARS like a dream. It also looks much more at home in a formal event attire. So mechanically, it is way inferior to my 4th gen, but I actually live wearing it.

Then most recently, I got a NTTD and while it doesn't look as nice as my 4th generation SMP, it wears way better. About equally as comfortable as the 2531.80.

Eventually, I will also get a 2nd gen SMP.

Why am I typing all this? Because when we are talking about "better", we need to understand what better means and that it can mean different things to different people. I have 8 watches in my rotation and the 4th gen didn't get worn because I could not wear it on bracelet. No matter how great it was technically, I had to sell it.

And to loop back to the og topic...I am not surprised that the 1st gen is worth only marginally less than the 4th gen. Anyone who wants ultimate wearability and a true Bond watch, this is the watch generation to buy.

Edited: Nov 10, 2023

 

[hen]

ErichPryde

Well.... The Problem with License to Kill is that it was a GREAT 80s action film- but it shouldn't have been a Bond film. And the Living Daylights is kinda just ok (much, MUCH better than any of the Roger Moore films). But there's no doubt that The bond films were on a downward slide when Dalton took the helm, and neither he nor the scripts of his two films, did anything to change the general perception of James Bond in the public eye.


That said.... there's equally zero doubt that Brosnan's GoldenEye did absolutely supercharge Bond again. The strength of that movie and the weakness of the Brosnan's movies following that probably helped make Dalton's films look better- but if they had been the last, I don't think they'd be remember well.

Here I go again.

Roger Moore is the ultimate Bond, best stunts, stories, humor and everything is over the top, like it should be.

Craig can play some Bergmann type film with all his feelings and dark tortured mind (and balls). I mean playing cards for an hour, what kind of Bond film is that! The parcour opening was great thou.

 

[ErichPryde]

hen

Here I go again.

Roger Moore is the ultimate Bond, best stunts, stories, humor and everything is over the top, like it should be.

Craig can play some Bergmann type film with all his feelings and dark tortured mind (and balls). I mean playing cards for an hour, what kind of Bond film is that! The parcour opening was great thou.

Didn't Roger Moore get less screen time than his stunt double in View to a kill?

But seriously.... he was my favorite when I was a kid. Jaws was Jar Jar binks before Jar Jar Binks!

 

[hen]

ErichPryde

Didn't Roger Moore get less screen time than his stunt double in View to a kill?

But seriously.... he was my favorite when I was a kid. Jaws was Jar Jar binks before Jar Jar Binks!

Go easy on the man, he was probably over 70 when he made that film.

 

[sheepdoll]

Goldeneye was one of my first DVDs. Great soundtrack. Sean Bean, Robbie Coltrain, Mini Driver ...

Octopussy is also an often watched favorite. I am a bit of a MacDonald Frazer (Flashman) fan. There is a bit of a history lesson snuck in here. I also studied cloisenne and other enamel jewlry making.

Was in Paris when they were filming View to a Kill. Interesting but flawed.

Goldfinger though sets the formula and the bar.

I forget which ones were the Rould Dahl ones. I did like Chitty Chitty Bang bang. Best bond of them all, Although Van Dyke was the worst bond ever. Never buy a car from Q.

 

[ATXWatch]

I didn't have the time or energy to type part 2 of my answer last night, but here I go...

One more reason for the relative parity in prices between 1st and 4th gen SMP may be that in the last year, as Rolex has been declining heavily, older and rare Omega models have either slightly appreciated or maintained value. In the same timeframe, even the very best Rolex models like Subs and GMTs have taken 15% value depreciation.

The Speedy, 2201.50 and 2531.80 have all slightly appreciated. The less common 2220.80 has appreciated more than 10%.

I don't know if one set of brands tanking is at all related to older models from another brand bucking the market, but based on my observations this year hunting down some of these more elusive Omega models with box and papers, they are definitely getting more expensive and I certainly wonder if

1) some of the money that was chasing Rolex a year or two ago has moved to less expensive but less common Omega models.
2) some of the money that was chasing expensive Omegas a year or two ago has moved to less expensive but less common Omega models.

I think it is important to mention that I am talking about the lower-priced end of Omega because at the upper end, pieces like Snoopy and Moonshine Gold have also taken massive hits in the value dept.

 

[sheepdoll]