Saw this and am keen to chase. Any opinion on this?

 

That's what I am afraid of. Thanks Lou.

 

This is an interesting one. The S58 allegedly refers to being made in 1958 and as Lou says, doesn't usually have a case number. I have always been sceptical about the ones you see with 133.8 movements, purely because Rossler only mentions them being made with the 120 movement (and that is hand wound). At least the 133.8 would fit with the year.

As I see this one, it has a case number from the mid 60s and a movement from the same period which leads me to call the authenticity of the dial and the S58 on the case back into question.

I could be completely wrong but more than one irregularity........

 

Thanks Stewart. One question, are you saying an S58 should not have an 133.8 as I have seen a few with them.

 

To be honest Gavin, I'm not sure as like you, I have seen a few advertised. The only firm research on the S58 that I have seen is Rossler (but we know that there are gaps in his book) so that's not to say that the 133.8s are definely wrong 'uns, but does flag a potential warning. I guess the only way to find out for sure would be to ask the Big Z themselves. Now if anybody has any catalogues from 1958 - 1960 that could indicate the inclusion of an automatic S58, that would prove the 133.8s to be legitimate as the only autos made at that time were the 133.8 and the 71 which is a 133.8 with date complication.

 

Interesting point Luo. It will have to wait until the weekend but I'll have a little play with a 133.8 and a 120. Uncase both movements and see if they would fit into each other's home.

 

Looking forward to your findings.

 

Now THIS is CSI-WIS-type shizzle.

 

Conundrum solved without resorting to the sledge hammer and crowbar. I just popped the backs off of the two and the 120 is 12"' whereas the 133.8 is 13"'. So, it wont fit. Re-reading Rossler (p147) the entire production run of 120s was bought by our old friend Signore Ciarelli for the Italian navy. Those boys were certainly spoiled - considering their track record, he should have bought Timex.

Then, to quote Rossler, "2 years later an automatic model followed".

Accordingly I now eat humble pie and accept the authenticity of the 133.8 in an S58. I do though, still question the 2542PC which started production in 1964.

 

Well the 25x2 movements are 11.5"', so there would be no trouble fitting it in the hole. It would need a casing ring or spacer to fill the gap with the extra 3.35mm diameter.

 

I found another S58 with serial number on the caseback.

http://imieiorologiunblog.forumfree.it/?t=61882313

 

My jaw dropped when I saw that. Plenty of interest. Anyone here?

 

Having seen a photograph of an old catalogue yesterday, I am happy to admit that my reservations about the S58 with a 2452 PC were wrong. They were selling for 350 Francs.

 

Hi some quoted me an s.58 with rotating bezel and 2532 pc movement . Is it possible?