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Mr.H
·Good luck OP I think it will go above top estimate
Seems I missed a few replies-
Maybe on the next general SM300 thread, I learnt a lot finding those 8 watches, just wish I hadn't been so good at selling them 4 yrs ago!🙁
Obsessive compulsive disorder - couldn't work out why they would redo a whole case-back just to have the lines of text centred unless it was to do with a regulation regarding the possibility of the off centred A being worn off under use & then not knowing it was a modified item
But you answered my quandary on the 69 case-back markings, very useful observation thanks
Regards
Mr.H
Seems I missed a few replies-
It is rust!
Great story behind it, maybe Mr H will tell it?
1) What exactly do you mean with "watchmakers OCD"?
But you answered my quandary on the 69 case-back markings, very useful observation thanks
However, in 1969 the previously additional added off-centered A/ was integrated in an from now on overall centered engraving... like at the "wide thin" font W10, but still using the "narrow thin" font.
Regards
Mr.H
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kev_c
·Well, it's on the Bonhams site now.
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24232/lot/32/?category=list&length=10&page=4
Fingers crossed
Thanks for everyone's help and knowledge regarding this watch.
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24232/lot/32/?category=list&length=10&page=4
Fingers crossed
Thanks for everyone's help and knowledge regarding this watch.
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noiseboyuk
·With the current demand I'm sure you will do pretty well.
Unfortunately, Bonhams will do even better with their buyer and seller commission.
I always struggle to understand how merely acting as sellers (I know they have catalogue expenses, premises to maintain etc.) can justify an overall 'mark-up' off circa 45%.
Unfortunately, Bonhams will do even better with their buyer and seller commission.
I always struggle to understand how merely acting as sellers (I know they have catalogue expenses, premises to maintain etc.) can justify an overall 'mark-up' off circa 45%.
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kev_c
·With the current demand I'm sure you will do pretty well.
Unfortunately, Bonhams will do even better with their buyer and seller commission.
I always struggle to understand how merely acting as sellers (I know they have catalogue expenses, premises to maintain etc.) can justify an overall 'mark-up' off circa 45%.
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noiseboyuk
·I would suggest that a specialist forum like this one has more expertise and credibility than auction houses which have a a 'general' but not specific knowledge of brands and models.This is illustrated by the number of incorrectly described vintage watches that keep cropping up at major auctions.
Furthermore, I suspect that selling on this and other specialist forums, would certainly 'capture' the majority of interested buyers.
The only problem appears to be ascertaining a current value.
Furthermore, I suspect that selling on this and other specialist forums, would certainly 'capture' the majority of interested buyers.
The only problem appears to be ascertaining a current value.
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bags1971
·very nice watch how many did the RN get
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kev_c
·I would suggest that a specialist forum like this one has more expertise and credibility than auction houses which have a a 'general' but not specific knowledge of brands and models.This is illustrated by the number of incorrectly described vintage watches that keep cropping up at major auctions.
Furthermore, I suspect that selling on this and other specialist forums, would certainly 'capture' the majority of interested buyers.
The only problem appears to be ascertaining a current value.
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omegaman
·As most of you might already have noticed, Bonhams is offering another two military SM300 in the same auction. Finally some additional caseback and movement pictures are shown now.
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24232/lot/50/
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24232/lot/128/
Lot50 is also a very nice example, everything on it is consistent. Looking forward to the see how that 12h dial will finish compared to kev_c's BT dial.
Lot128 has some issues, the 1964 movement/caseback and the BT dial do not match. Despite its very low issue number it should normally not have been delivered to the MoD 3 or 4 years after production. Although I know another one with a -64 caseback. Did Omega clear some old stock piles or did the MoD watchmaker swap all these parts? Who knows... would like to see the archives extract of that one.
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24232/lot/50/
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24232/lot/128/
Lot50 is also a very nice example, everything on it is consistent. Looking forward to the see how that 12h dial will finish compared to kev_c's BT dial.
Lot128 has some issues, the 1964 movement/caseback and the BT dial do not match. Despite its very low issue number it should normally not have been delivered to the MoD 3 or 4 years after production. Although I know another one with a -64 caseback. Did Omega clear some old stock piles or did the MoD watchmaker swap all these parts? Who knows... would like to see the archives extract of that one.
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kox
·Lot128 has some issues, the 1964 movement/caseback and the BT dial do not match. Despite its very low issue number it should normally not have been delivered to the MoD 3 or 4 years after production. Although I know another one with a -64 caseback. Did Omega clear some old stock piles or did the MoD watchmaker swap all these parts? Who knows... would like to see the archives extract of that one.
And why not any extract on this one, like Bonham usually do on these?
Only parts watch IMO.
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omegaman
·BUT the worst part, a sure sign of franken, is the movement. 17 jewels!?!? When did you see that on a cal 552. So a US cal. 550 for a UK delivery?🙄
Good catch! Didn't notice that. 👍
You're absolutely right, even the first 165.024 were fitted with cal. 552 having 24 jewels. Just checked some old pictures of my former 165.024-63 with serial 2030xxxx (that I sold in an act of stupidity a couple of years ago).
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watchlovr
·A little disappointing I think?
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kev_c
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watchlovr
·I have to admit, I was a bit disappointed, the other non BT didn't even meet reserve. I have a suspicion that after some sky high prices, the market has been relatively speaking, flooded with other people hoping to cash in? On the flip side, if we had sold it about 5 years ago, we'd have got a fraction of that price so it's not all bad.
Overall a disappointing day for Bonhams imo.
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Syrte
·Well, not all watches can necessarily double in price every year.
And then one cannot overlook this:
Regards,
S
And then one cannot overlook this:
I'm wondering if anyone else has issue with the essentially closed 6 and the bezel?
Yes me . G
Regards,
S
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omegaman
·Hmm... I'm not wondering Lot128 didn't meet the reserve... but Lot50? Only issue are the baton hands... extract showed delivered to the Btritish Military... and a reserve of 25K wasn't that much actually.
😕
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Divetimer
·The whole bonhams sale did fairly poorly. Even the several good watches went cheap - for example, one heuer rindt was a real steal. A lot of attention was on chrisities and the bonhams photos were pretty bad (some improvement last minute). Lot 32 went cheap - there are other examples of that dial and it looks like a nice watch. Lot 50 was also nice but suffered from the same problems as the rest of the bonhams sale.
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LiquidSolid
·A little disappointing I think?
Definitely - I was expecting to see that go much higher. I do agree, this auction fell under the radar for some, including me!
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