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Rolex Submariner 5513-1966

  1. hansaboy Nov 8, 2022

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    Hi again Guys, Im trying to learn about bezels..
    This is a 5513 with serial nr 1.42 mil, so a 1966.
    But is the bezel correct?
    And please do comment if there are some other stuff...
    Not sure about the lume in the bezel...
    :unsure::unsure:


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  2. Dan S Nov 8, 2022

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    Yes, it's called a long-5 bezel because of the rectangular shape inside the loop of the 5.

    However, the dial should probably be a glossy-gilt dial with a 1.42M serial.
     
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  3. johnireland Nov 8, 2022

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    Lovely looking example. But I'm not an expert. The Sub was built and designed to take a real beating. Bezel inserts were (and are) disposable items. If a service insert no longer looked exactly like the old original, well so what (IMO). If I bought a Sub it would to wear and never worry about "hurting" it. It is a Rolex Submariner, treat it like one. Time to stop babying our vintage watches.
     
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  4. JwRosenthal Nov 8, 2022

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    I agree with you in principle, John- but when trying to establish value on vintage pieces, the collectibility comes from originality. I would have no problem wearing a vintage sub with service bezel/dial/hands. But I wouldn’t pay the premium of an all original watch for one with service parts. So it’s important to really know what we are looking at when we are trying to establish value.
     
  5. johnireland Nov 8, 2022

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    And I agree with you in principle. Which is probably why I would never buy a collector condition watch. And if a watch isn't in collector condition but the seller is asking that kind of money, I would waste my time, I'd just walk. But if someone is selling a less than original watch, but in great mechanical shape, that has value to me as well. I'll always pay more for condition than originality. But that's just me.
     
  6. JwRosenthal Nov 8, 2022

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    Absolutely nothing wrong with that way of collecting- I’m similar in that respect. But new collectors don’t really know what they should be looking for and where value is assessed, so I feel it’s important to keep the sellers honest in that respect and help the next generation navigate the waters.
     
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  7. johnireland Nov 8, 2022

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    You're right again. And to keep new buyers educated. The red mist impulse to buy because of price or a pretty picture usually leads to disaster. I have been guilty of that myself...however I guess I've also been very lucky, because all the sellers I have dealt with have been very honest.
    Nice chatting with you.
     
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  8. hansaboy Nov 8, 2022

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    Thanks Dan S for the info on the bezel, what do you think about the lumedot?

    And regarding the dial, Im searching about it, i get mixed answers there....
     
  9. hansaboy Nov 8, 2022

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    Thanks Johnireland, I don't have any safe queens, and I love using my watches. But I do like learning about the them and the history around each of them.
    And I agree with you regarding serviceparts, but only if you know about it and the seller gives you the info?

    Cheers!
     
  10. mountainunder Nov 9, 2022

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    If you don't mind if I use Japanese, here's a link to a YouTube video that explains the Submariner bezel and the 5513!
    You can also use the auto-translate function on the You Tube page on your computer's browser.



    I suggest you check the lumedot with a UV light first.
     
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  11. hansaboy Nov 9, 2022

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    Wow!

    Thanks for the links, that's gonna take some time, but I really appreciate this!
    And UV light is in the check-list!
     
  12. Dan S Nov 9, 2022

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    I can't see an obvious problem with the pearl, but TBH I think you need to be a lot more concerned about the dial. The dial certainly looks matte to me, and if the serial is truly 1.42M, it's definitely not original. I don't know how you could be getting "mixed answers" about that if you're doing good research. That cuts the value in half.
     
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  13. hansaboy Nov 9, 2022

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    Hi again Dan, i understand - and the dial is matte..
    Regarding serial nr etc - attaching a clip..from 5513mattedial.com
    Prob a replaced dial...??
    But you never really really know??

    :unsure:

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  14. Mark020 not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer Nov 9, 2022

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    Well in this case you know :D
     
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  15. Dan S Nov 9, 2022

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    Well, you can believe that a matte dial is correct on a 1.42M serial 5513 if you want to. But if you ever sell the watch, you are unlikely to find such a naive buyer.
     
  16. hansaboy Nov 9, 2022

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    Point taken...
     
  17. Jones in LA Isofrane hoarder. Nov 9, 2022

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    This is what happens when a 5513 (Calibre 1530) from 1964 gets really re-worked with service parts...it's mine and a lot of fun to wear, but not very interesting from a collector's point of view.

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  18. hansaboy Nov 9, 2022

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    Cool watch!
    And since you know about this, I don't think you care about the collector-value??
     
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  19. hansaboy Nov 11, 2022

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    Hi again!

    Iam back with a new 5513 1966!
    :whistling:

    This is also with a low serial -its 1.33 mil, and not gilt/gloss...
    But the fonts looks kind of correct?
    And it should be a 4-liner...

    Kind of strange, replacement or re-lumed??

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  20. Dan S Nov 11, 2022

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    I would have to study it more carefully, but that most recent dial looks a little strange to me, not just the lume, but the printing.
     
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