You had questions? It's hard for us to make meaningful comments when we don't know what your thoughts are. The second one deserves a comment (you say it's from Hong Kong). The printing on the dial is white in colour. In my opinion, that printing should be in silver! Especially considering that the hands are silver. On these manual winders, every day the watch is used, the crown is unscrewed, watch wound, and crown screwed down again. It the watch is used a lot, the threads in the crown and on the tube wear our faster than they do on the automatics! I don't see the Rolex crown emblem on the crown of either watch! Make certain that the crown and case tube are not after-market! If someone has modified the case to accept non-original parts, you're s_ _ _ _ ed! If these watches are desirerable, I am surprised they haven't found a local market with just a phone call! Tread carefully!