Rolex 5513 evaluation.

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I don’t think that’s an MK3 insert, more like a kissing 40 from what I can see which would be an MK1.

Pics aren’t the best.

True, but I am not going to say a MK1 (which is really only a sloppy MK3) based on those pics ; )
 
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Not going to happen, offered 4K base on you all’s suggestions and he says d for that amount he will just keep it.
 
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I think you should consider that a win. How would you feel walking around with a piece that is so wrong?
 
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I know, the hardest part is knowing that I can’t afford a correct specimen.
 
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$4k is an insult....there is value in that watch.
 
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Not going to happen, offered 4K base on you all’s suggestions and he says d for that amount he will just keep it.

Funny. I wonder what value he placed on the broken watch that he hadn't worn in years.
 
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$4k is an insult....there is value in that watch.
Wow, so your saying I was miss it informed. Being fair I considered the 1k suggestion and the 7k, so I offered a bit over the average between the two suggestions. I guess it just wasn’t meant to be.
 
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The information was laid out for you. The dial alone would be worth $3-4K. The bracelet, with correct clasp, easily worth another $1-1.5k. Case another $1k and lastly, the aforementioned MK1 insert another $1k. And I’m not even including any value on the movement.

parts alone are worth more.
 
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The information was laid out for you. The dial alone would be worth $3-4K. The bracelet, with correct clasp, easily worth another $1-1.5k. Case another $1k and lastly, the aforementioned MK1 insert another $1k. And I’m not even including any value on the movement.

parts alone are worth more.
It’s all right I still appreciate all the help. I think you just laid out the information clearly just now.
 
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In this condition is worth close the 10/11k
Even like this, once a proper service is perfomed it would be a great watch for that price especially with that case.

Since they are very very hard to find, it might take a wile and a big chunk of money to find the proper dial.

Btw, this is a 5512 close in serial to that watch with a great case and the right dial, which i think should be for this watch as well.
https://www.chrono24.com/rolex/submariner-5512-4-lines-chapter-ring-exclamation-mark--id12695082.htm

If i were you (and of course if the wallet agree) i would go back to the gentleman and offer 10k which would be a fair price for both
 
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In this condition is worth close the 10/11k
Even like this, once a proper service is perfomed it would be a great watch for that price especially with that case.

Since they are very very hard to find, it might take a wile and a big chunk of money to find the proper dial.

Btw, this is a 5512 close in serial to that watch with a great case and the right dial, which i think should be for this watch as well.
https://www.chrono24.com/rolex/submariner-5512-4-lines-chapter-ring-exclamation-mark--id12695082.htm

If i were you (and of course if the wallet agree) i would go back to the gentleman and offer 10k which would be a fair price for both

Everyone has a different opinion, but I would never pay $10k for that watch. It will never be correct. And the condition of case, insert, and bracelet is less than good. The dial might be nice, but it's the wrong dial. And given the condition of the crystal, you can't really even tell if the dial is good. You can't expect to sell a watch for top dollar under those conditions.

The value in parts may well be $6k-$7k if you are a good seller with a reputation and you can get top dollar. It could take a lot of time and effort to sell everything off, and don't forget eBay and PP fees. It's one thing to list hypothetical prices for parts, it's quite another thing to take the risk and actually sell them.

If you are selling a broken parts watch, I don't think you can expect to get full-blown retail, and I don't think $4k was an insulting offer. I'm not looking for an argument, just expressing my own opinion.
 
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There is no way, especially in a shaky economy, a broken and dried out Rolex will fetch $10k. Unless there’s a history behind it to support its condition. $4k is more than fair. It’s a hell of a gamble.
 
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Everyone has a different opinion, but I would never pay $10k for that watch. It will never be correct. And the condition of case, insert, and bracelet is less than good. The dial might be nice, but it's the wrong dial. And given the condition of the crystal, you can't really even tell if the dial is good. You can't expect to sell a watch for top dollar under those conditions.

The value in parts may well be $6k-$7k if you are a good seller with a reputation and you can get top dollar. It could take a lot of time and effort to sell everything off, and don't forget eBay and PP fees. If you are selling a broken parts watch, I don't think you can expect to get full-blown retail, and I don't think $4k was an insulting offer. I'm not looking for an argument, just expressing my own opinion.
We are all expressing our educated opinion 😉
I said 10k because i remenber seeing from known dealer (info disclosed) a couple of 5512 not this old, not with pointed crown guard (but in similar condition) and most important with and incorrect dial (when the right one would have been a chapter gilt) at price between 9 to 11k.

So i personally think that this watch right now can be worth around 9+1k for the service, total 10.
Sure thing, it will take a lot of time, research and money to find all the proper part and i don't know if he is looking to resell it.
 
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We are all expressing our educated opinion 😉
I said 10k because i remenber seeing from known dealer (info disclosed) a couple of 5512 not this old, not with pointed crown guard (but in similar condition) and most important with and incorrect dial (when the right one would have been a chapter gilt) at price between 9 to 11k.

So i personally think that this watch right now can be worth around 9+1k for the service, total 10.
Sure thing, it will take a lot of time, research and money to find all the proper part and i don't know if he is looking to resell it.

So $10k was the full retail asking price from a dealer for a working watch (5512, which is more valuable than 5513) with service parts in rough condition. I believe that.

Here, we are talking about an offer from one private collector to another for a broken watch with a great deal of uncertainty (can't really see the dial, can't see the movement). I actually think we are on the same page. You don't offer full-blown retail price under those conditions, and if a dealer had tried to buy this watch, I doubt he would have offered more than $4k. In fact, I think he would have offered less.
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Thanks gentlemen, your enlightening professional opinions really make me feel better.
 
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Thanks gentlemen, your enlightening professional opinions really make me feel better.
and that's the beauty of this forum! 😀
 
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Interesting.

Same thing happens when somebody posts for evaluation a beat up Speedmaster that either needs lots of parts or will be parted out itself. It’s a much harder evaluation than a complete ‘good’ watch.

Turns out, it’s much trickier to estimate the value of a rare watch in this condition than one in really nice condition. And, poor photos are only part of the problem.

I’ve learned to stay away from projects like this. I’ve found that they rarely wind up cheaper than buying a better example to begin with. Of course, I’m a hobbyist and not a professional, so I have neither the knowledge not the contacts to make a project like this work well for me.
 
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Everyone has a different opinion, but I would never pay $10k for that watch. It will never be correct. And the condition of case, insert, and bracelet is less than good. The dial might be nice, but it's the wrong dial. And given the condition of the crystal, you can't really even tell if the dial is good. You can't expect to sell a watch for top dollar under those conditions.

The value in parts may well be $6k-$7k if you are a good seller with a reputation and you can get top dollar. It could take a lot of time and effort to sell everything off, and don't forget eBay and PP fees. It's one thing to list hypothetical prices for parts, it's quite another thing to take the risk and actually sell them.

If you are selling a broken parts watch, I don't think you can expect to get full-blown retail, and I don't think $4k was an insulting offer. I'm not looking for an argument, just expressing my own opinion.

I couldn't agree more.