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··Spell Master!Bezel also looks too good to be true but if the price is good I'd go for it. It's a good watch to enjoy.
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·Anyone else?
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·Appears to be a service dial
this is a deal breaker for me...but regardless McQueen wore a 5512 Sub.
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·I always wondered why they keep calling this a McQueen.
Bezel looks funky. For me any vintage Rolex with issues is not worth buying because reselling it becomes a problem. Wait for the right one.
Cheers,
Bezel looks funky. For me any vintage Rolex with issues is not worth buying because reselling it becomes a problem. Wait for the right one.
Cheers,
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··Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can.Afaik No one knows how it got the McQueen connection, supposedly it was an Italian collector. It's pretty well documented he never owned let alone wore one.
That watch looks way to good to be true though.
You would have to ask why a service dial on a basically mint watch. Hand lume and 24 hour hand is perfect. Never seen a non faded orange hand before.
That watch looks way to good to be true though.
You would have to ask why a service dial on a basically mint watch. Hand lume and 24 hour hand is perfect. Never seen a non faded orange hand before.
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·stick with reputable dealers...there is more wrong than right with this example.
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·Afaik No one knows how it got the McQueen connection, supposedly it was an Italian collector. It's pretty well documented he never owned let alone wore one.
That watch looks way to good to be true though.
You would have to ask why a service dial on a basically mint watch. Hand lume and 24 hour hand is perfect. Never seen a non faded orange hand before.
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·I think the reason why it looks good is because it underwent service by Rolex who consequently did what Rolex does. To my understanding they replaced the bezel and dial.
If you like the way it looks thats all that matter. IMO the watch has been ruined...but thats just my opinion. The only one that matters though is yours, so if you like it buy it.
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··Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can.Personally, it's one of my favorite watches, even one might say my Grail. I just have no idea how to price and grade these, I just know they have come down and used to be way out of my price range. I've purposefully not delved into to much research on them.
In my opinion it's one great looking watch, and I've never seen one in that condition, let alone know what the price would be. I know that doesn't help. 🙁
In my opinion it's one great looking watch, and I've never seen one in that condition, let alone know what the price would be. I know that doesn't help. 🙁
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··Spell Master!this is a deal breaker for me...but regardless McQueen wore a 5512 Sub.
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··Spell Master!Personally, it's one of my favorite watches, even one might say my Grail. I just have no idea how to price and grade these, I just know they have come down and used to be way out of my price range. I've purposefully not delved into to much research on them.
In my opinion it's one great looking watch, and I've never seen one in that condition, let alone know what the price would be. I know that doesn't help. 🙁
Not every buy has to be a relic. Just my opinion.
Of course it should be priced accordingly and without the vintage original premium these carry.
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·Not every buy has to be a relic. Just my opinion.
Original doesn't mean relic. There are plenty of original pieces out there that look better than this example. But beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, so if the OP likes this thats all that matters. He doesn't need our validation.
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··Spell Master!Original doesn't mean relic. There are plenty of original pieces out there that look better than this example. But beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, so if the OP likes this thats all that matters. He doesn't need our validation.
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·Looks are indeed in the eye of the beholder. We frequently accept vintage Speedies and GMT 6542s with service parts as still retaining inherent collector value albeit not as much as with the original components (if we can find them at all). Not sure why this wouldn't apply here too? I know many individuals who would prefer a Rolex 6542 with a service dial and non-original Bakelite bezel than an all original later generation GMT master or an Omega 2998 with service hands instead of an all original 105.003. This may simply be because the former examples are still rarer finds.
My biggest concern is ensuring that the components on this 1655 are indeed Rolex service and not aftermarket.
My biggest concern is ensuring that the components on this 1655 are indeed Rolex service and not aftermarket.
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·We frequently accept vintage Speedies and GMT 6542s with service parts as still retaining inherent collector value albeit not as much as with the original components (
Not sure who "we" is, but any replaced parts affect value regardless of make or model.
Here is my .02-
Since you have not provided any details on this watch, can you tell us how you know these were replaced by Rolex?
For me, a watch like this draws serious red flags. Generally when you see a watch with replacement hands, dial and bezel...not to mention a case back that has little or no markings...it is a clue. The first question you have to ask is why?
Why was so much replaced? If the seller is not providing a service receipt from Rolex, then you should assume Rolex did not do the work. With wholesale replacement of parts its generally an indication that this watch had a rough life or something worse happened. Why take the risk? Its not like you can't find 10 more honest examples for sale any day of the week.
If you really believe that all these replaced parts don't affect the value, then you are kidding yourself. The value of this watch is considerably lower than an honest example. If the watch is priced accordingly, and you like the way it looks then buy it. But don't fool yourself into believing that this watch is worth as much as an honest example, or more importantly that it will be easy to sell if you ever decide to do that. It will be far harder to sell this watch later...so as long as you understand that or don't care about selling it later then do buy it because you like it.
Ive been collecting for 30 years, and Ive seen a lot in that time. From my experience, a watch like this is a gamble..an unnecessary gamble since honest example are easy to find. YMMV
Honestly if you want more advise, then you must provide more information. The selling price is relevant here, as is the sellers description...why not give us facts? Without more information, there is little more we can tell you.
My biggest concern is ensuring that the components on this 1655 are indeed Rolex service and not aftermarket.
Impossible to tell from a few photos, but I would question that bezel.
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·Not sure who "we" is, but any replaced parts affect value regardless of make or model.
Here is my .02-
Since you have not provided any details on this watch, can you tell us how you know these were replaced by Rolex?
For me, a watch like this draws serious red flags. Generally when you see a watch with replacement hands, dial and bezel...not to mention a case back that has little or no markings...it is a clue. The first question you have to ask is why?
Why was so much replaced? If the seller is not providing a service receipt from Rolex, then you should assume Rolex did not do the work. With wholesale replacement of parts its generally an indication that this watch had a rough life or something worse happened. Why take the risk? Its not like you can't find 10 more honest examples for sale any day of the week.
If you really believe that all these replaced parts don't affect the value, then you are kidding yourself. The value of this watch is considerably lower than an honest example. If the watch is priced accordingly, and you like the way it looks then buy it. But don't fool yourself into believing that this watch is worth as much as an honest example, or more importantly that it will be easy to sell if you ever decide to do that. It will be far harder to sell this watch later...so as long as you understand that or don't care about selling it later then do buy it because you like it.
Ive been collecting for 30 years, and Ive seen a lot in that time. From my experience, a watch like this is a gamble..an unnecessary gamble since honest example are easy to find. YMMV
Honestly if you want more advise, then you must provide more information. The selling price is relevant here, as is the sellers description...why not give us facts? Without more information, there is little more we can tell you.
Impossible to tell from a few photos, but I would question that bezel.
For me an "honest" piece is one that can conceivably be serviced by Rolex or an authorized watchmaker who never would utilize aftermarket components. I haven't heard anyone yet provide convincing proof that this can't be the case here. That is what I'm looking for. The previous owner informed me that the watch had undergone Rolex servicing in the past.
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··Spell Master!to me only the bezel as I mentioned before. The rest looks kinda ok but if I'm right about the bezel then that does bring doubts about the rest.
Look at the tail shapes of the numerals in the bezel, particularly the fours. I haven't seen that before. normally they are more of a stick and don't have the broadening at the base or tail end
Now, i am not expert and if some year or version had these styled numerals then so be it, but I haven't seen it. I am looking around now and still can't.
Look at the tail shapes of the numerals in the bezel, particularly the fours. I haven't seen that before. normally they are more of a stick and don't have the broadening at the base or tail end
Now, i am not expert and if some year or version had these styled numerals then so be it, but I haven't seen it. I am looking around now and still can't.
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·is there a reason you won't share the asking price, serial number or sellers description? Its relevant to your questions.
I think you have all the answers you will get based on the little info provided. Otherwise, it sounds like you know what you want, so good luck with your purchase.
I think you have all the answers you will get based on the little info provided. Otherwise, it sounds like you know what you want, so good luck with your purchase.
