Resolved - Minute Hand Delayed Start on Longines Chrono

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The ETA A08.L01 is a column wheel version of the ETA 7750. In addition to adding the column wheel, they rearranged the sub-dial layout by adding in some intermediate wheels to relocate the minute counter. Omega also uses this caliber, adding the co-axial escapement, for the Cal. 3330 watches.

As with all ETA 7750's, if you set the hands forward in time to the minute you want, there will be some lag in the start of the minute hand moving, due to the backlash in the gears of the setting mechanism. Moving the hands forward past the minute you want to set to, and backing up to the minute you want will take up the backlash.

As for how much is "acceptable" for the amount of backlash, 30 seconds is well beyond what I would expect to see on a 7750 based watch. I happen to have a 7750 here that's back for it's second service with me, and 5 years after the last service the backlash results in about 10 seconds before I see the minute hand move. I would say that is pretty typical, so if this really is 30 seconds, it's definitely out of the ordinary, at least in my experience (I service a lot of 7750 based watches, just for the record).

Note that the winding/setting parts in the Longines version, the Omega version, and the regular standard 7750 are all identical, so the fact that other things on this movement have been changed would not affect this at all.

The problem is easily solved by setting the time a certain way, and even if the backlash could be reduced, you will still have to do this. Is it worth sending it back to Longines? No idea if they will be able to do anything with it, but if I were servicing this and seeing that sort of backlash, I would be looking for an answer...

Hope this helps.

Cheers, Al
 
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My 95' Speedmaster Reduced had a 12 second backlash, it is noted in the Omega manual to account for it when setting.

After a bit of testing I would set my watch this way:
Pull crown at 48 second mark and set time 1 minute ahead (if its 2:09:48 then set 2:10:48 for +0).
 
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Thank you both @Archer and @apsm100 Your responses are very helpful.

The watch runs well otherwise, and it’s not difficult to adjust for the backlash either by stopping the second hand at 30 seconds instead of 60 seconds when setting or backwinding the watch 30 seconds to take out the lash. Even though the 30 second lash might be out of the norm for this watch, I think I’ll just leave it as is until I get it serviced in 5-ish years and see if it can be improved then.

I might be more inclined to send it in and see how it comes back if we were not in the middle of this pandemic, but I think the fewer valuable packages one has outgoing and incoming the better off we are these days.
 
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Advance the minute hand 30 seconds ahead of the seconds hand, then counter clockwise the minute hand to the correct minute mark. Nothing you can do about lash in the wheel teeth and pinions.
I’ve had to do this in some instances. In one other, the hand had to be turned back and then forward to sync properly.
 
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I have the same exact issue with a Hamilton Intra-Matic Auto Chrono (REF. H38416711) I bought a couple months ago. I recently noticed the 30 sec lag on the minute hand. I got very annoyed one day when I synchronized the minute hand with the seconds hand 3 times that day and it would show me running 30 sec behind every time. I realized the Minute hand would not start running until 30 sec after resetting the time. This one has the Hamilton H31 movement, based on ETA7753.
 
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I have the same exact issue with a Hamilton Intra-Matic Auto Chrono (REF. H38416711) I bought a couple months ago. I recently noticed the 30 sec lag on the minute hand. I got very annoyed one day when I synchronized the minute hand with the seconds hand 3 times that day and it would show me running 30 sec behind every time. I realized the Minute hand would not start running until 30 sec after resetting the time. This one has the Hamilton H31 movement, based on ETA7753.

I actually decided to send my watch into Longines for a warranty repair since I had already opened the request and they had sent the mailer. It came back running a little more accurately, which is nice, but the lag with the minute hand is the same. So, I've just been addressing it by backwinding the watch as @Canuck and @Archer recommended. I've noticed my Nivada CASD reissue has the same issue and the same fix works for that watch as well.

It really makes me appreciate my non-hacking Speedy.
 
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Thank you! That’s helpful. You’re right about the Speedy. What I thought it was a let down at the beginning, turned out to be te best thing on my collection. I don’t have to worry about setting the date, AM, PM, or seconds hand, and it’s good to go. All other watches add that bit of a stress when resetting after a while.
 
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Advance the minute hand 30 seconds ahead of the seconds hand, then counter clockwise the minute hand to the correct minute mark. Nothing you can do about lash in the wheel teeth and pinions.
Dear Members, I have just purchased Longines Avigation Big Eye Eta 688 a week ago. What Canuck is saying makes perfect sense and its totally consistent with my research regarding this issue which is exactly the same I have with my watch. I love Big Eye and have been going around it from 2 years and eventually coudnt resist to buy it. A bit disappointed but maybe thats the beauty of mechanical watches. I was just wondering how you guys ended up with this issue. Did you just leave it and live with it or queried further with Longines ?
 
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Dear Members, I have just purchased Longines Avigation Big Eye Eta 688 a week ago. What Canuck is saying makes perfect sense and its totally consistent with my research regarding this issue which is exactly the same I have with my watch. I love Big Eye and have been going around it from 2 years and eventually coudnt resist to buy it. A bit disappointed but maybe thats the beauty of mechanical watches. I was just wondering how you guys ended up with this issue. Did you just leave it and live with it or queried further with Longines ?

It's not a problem. It's how the movement works.
 
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It's not a problem. It's how the movement works.
Indeed, I have had and do have a couple of watches that work this way. Once you know that's how a particular movement works, it's quite simple to deal with.
 
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Indeed, I have had and do have a couple of watches that work this way. Once you know that's how a particular movement works, it's quite simple to deal with.
Thank you @SkunkPrince
 
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Dear Members, I have just purchased Longines Avigation Big Eye Eta 688 a week ago. What Canuck is saying makes perfect sense and its totally consistent with my research regarding this issue which is exactly the same I have with my watch. I love Big Eye and have been going around it from 2 years and eventually coudnt resist to buy it. A bit disappointed but maybe thats the beauty of mechanical watches. I was just wondering how you guys ended up with this issue. Did you just leave it and live with it or queried further with Longines ?

I wound up sending the watch to Longines for a warranty service, because when I described the behavior to a Swatch customer service rep, he swore the lag was an issue they could resolve. Well, the watch came back with the same lag I originally described.

One thing I have noticed is that the minute hand will jump ~10 seconds forward when I push the crown in after backwinding to remove the lash as @Canuck instructed. To solve for this, I set the hands just short of the minute marker I’m setting the time to.

I hope this is helpful in addition to the info provided by others who are vastly more knowledgable than I.