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Murray Harper
路Does a repainted dial have a negative impact on price
Repainted dials ?
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wsfarrell
路Yes indeed.
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Davidt
路Massively
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kaplan
路unless by a famous painter 馃榾
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lindo
路Like this Leonardo watch?
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Larry S
路路Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.Does a repainted dial have a negative impact on price
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Dan S
路Compared to an original dial in equivalent condition, the difference in value is massive. Compared to an original dial in terrible condition, the difference in value might be minimal. It all depends. Show photos of the watch you're referring to.
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base615
路Yes, but there comes a point where a dial is too damaged and it will positively impact on price. Not everyone is a collector, some want a nice watch and few are going to notice a good redial without getting a loupe out.
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Larry S
路路Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.Yes, but there comes a point where a dial is too damaged and it will positively impact on price. Not everyone is a collector, some want a nice watch and few are going to notice a good redial without getting a loupe out.
There is a class of refinished dials that occupy a grey area. Those would be factory refinished dials using the original tooling. Generally these are high end watches to begin with since such work is costly. I鈥檝e seen some that are amazing.
Another grey area are factory service dials which don鈥檛 carry the stigma of a re paint.
Impact of the grey areas depends on the watch.
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Burr
路Strictly regarding price, a watch with unoriginal/redone parts will always go for less than a watch with all original parts
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Shabbaz
路Strictly regarding price, a watch with unoriginal/redone parts will always go for less than a watch with all original parts
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Burr
路I really think this is not true. A very small percentage of omega buyers are collectors. They prefer originality. But the biggest part are just one time buyers who want a shiny omega around the wrist. For example, I think the don drapers sell quite good and probably better then a smdv with a original dial.
Edit: of course condition is included in the consideration here.
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Shabbaz
路I鈥檓 not familiar with that model, so you may be correct here, but i do want to reiterate i was strictly referring to price and not one鈥檚 opinion as a collector. In my experience, if we鈥檙e looking at two watches of the same reference/year/etc where one is all original and the other is not all original, the one that is all original will sell for a higher price than the one that is not original.
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STANDY
路路schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorI鈥檓 not familiar with that model, so you may be correct here, but i do want to reiterate i was strictly referring to price and not one鈥檚 opinion as a collector. In my experience, if we鈥檙e looking at two watches of the same reference/year/etc where one is all original and the other is not all original, the one that is all original will sell for a higher price than the one that is not original.
Yes two watches alike and one a redial and one original ( and this is known ) The original would always command a better price. BUT A poor condition original will probably sell for less
I wouldn鈥檛 buy a repainted dial and many collectors are alike. So a redial is harder to sell at a higher price.
A redial is OK in probably .005 percent of a collectors mindset if it is a super rare piece that it is all that can be obtained.
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Dgercp
路Yes two watches alike and one a redial and one original ( and this is known ) The original would always command a better price. BUT A poor condition original will probably sell for less
I wouldn鈥檛 buy a repainted dial and many collectors are alike. So a redial is harder to sell at a higher price.
A redial is OK in probably .005 percent of a collectors mindset if it is a super rare piece that it is all that can be obtained.
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Claven2
路Strictly regarding price, a watch with unoriginal/redone parts will always go for less than a watch with all original parts
Totally disagree. An original trashed dial makes a watch worth the sum of its parts. A very well done redial makes it valuable as a wearable watch.
Not all dials are in a state worth preserving.
I think these statements need to be caveated as "all original parts in presentable condition".
I also find it interesting that omega themselves outsource dial repaints and use them in factory restorations. Not all redials are created equally.
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Burr
路Totally disagree. An original trashed dial makes a watch worth the sum of its parts. A very well done redial makes it valuable as a wearable watch.
Not all dials are in a state worth preserving.
I think these statements need to be caveated as "all original parts in presentable condition".
I also find it interesting that omega themselves outsource dial repaints and use them in factory restorations. Not all redials are created equally.
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Claven2
路I鈥檓 not familiar with that model, so you may be correct here, but i do want to reiterate i was strictly referring to price and not one鈥檚 opinion as a collector. In my experience, if we鈥檙e looking at two watches of the same reference/year/etc where one is all original and the other is not all original, the one that is all original will sell for a higher price than the one that is not original.
If both were for sale at the same time in the same place, this is maybe true. But the market doesn't work like that.
Each watch is listed for a price. I've seen beautiful originals sell cheaper than average and badly refinished watches sell above market value. A quick scan of sold watches on eBay proves this over and over. Not every possible buyer is a savvy omega collector. Most buy pretty watches.
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Burr
路No. If both were for sale at the same time in the same place, this is maybe true. But the market doesn't work like that.
Each watch is listed for a price. I've seen beautiful originals sell cheaper than average and badly refinished watches sell above market value. A quick scan of sold watches on eBay proves this over and over. Not every possible buyer is a savvy omega collector. Most buy pretty watches.
Honestly I don鈥檛 understand the attack on my post, especially with obvious factors that would skew the results of any a/b test comparison. I am simply responding to OPs question if a repainted dial matters or not to price.
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Claven2
路Of course same place / same time matters. Who would compare the price of a watch sold in 1950 to the price of that same watch sold in 2020?
Honestly I don鈥檛 understand the attack on my post, especially with obvious factors that would skew the results of any a/b test comparison. I am simply responding to OPs question if a repainted dial matters or not to price.
Sorry, I don't mean to come across combative.
The reality is vintage watches sell largely depending on the number of buyers wanting that reference at a point in time, along with how well it is described, photographed and advertised. Almost identical watches can sell for wildly different auction prices a few days apart.
Originality is a factor for some buyers and not others. Some just buy an aesthetically pleasing (to them) vintage omega.
Totally cobbled together watches from Korea sell for premium prices every day on eBay, for example. Some of them sell because of a turquoise dial reminiscent of the current Tiffany Rolex OP, as an example. Though the dial is a total fantasy piece.
