Redial?

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ivan11

·Apr 13, 2023

Hello everyone, what do you think about the watch attached below; is it redial ?
I'm also not sure that the hands are original, they seem too short.The diameter of the watch is 37.5 mm.
Thank you very much for your help, I appreciate that.

 

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DirtyDozen12

·Apr 13, 2023·Thanks, mystery donor!

I wonder if this is a reference 4914? I have not studied this reference in detail, but I do think that these hands (hour and minute) are too short. I am not certain about the dial. Looking at a photo of the movement would be helpful to see if the condition is consistent.

 

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JwRosenthal

·Apr 13, 2023

You knew the answer when you posted it- you just needed affirmation

 

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peatnick

·Apr 13, 2023

Agree with your assessment, redial with replacement hands.

poor example removed to avoid confusion

Edited: Apr 13, 2023

 

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DirtyDozen12

·Apr 13, 2023·Thanks, mystery donor!

peatnick

My 4914 for comparison

View attachment 1589956

Agree with your assessment, redial with replacement hands.

This dial looks refinished. Both the font of the signature and design of the sub-dial are not consistent with original examples. Also, the hour and minute hands are mismatched, and the crown is incorrect.

 

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DirtyDozen12

·Apr 13, 2023·Thanks, mystery donor!

Below are two examples for ref. 4914 with original dials, IMO. The first one is an earlier example (serial 8'037'080, iteration 10) and the second one is a later example (serial 10'750'016, iteration 46). You can see that the signatures on each dial are different, but both are precisely executed.

Source: https://www.stetzcowatches.com/product/1950-longines-ref-4914-jumbo-37mm/

Source: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2842414075...XPoHzdeBS3FPAZY+A6ucoGIhzj|tkp:Bk9SR7r_lrHvYQ

 

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ivan11

·Apr 13, 2023

thank you very much for your comments, some of my suspicions were confirmed. Otherwise, the condition of the watch case is not bad.

 

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JwRosenthal

·Apr 13, 2023

It’s got that going for it- way to see the silver lining.

 

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Spruce

·Apr 13, 2023·Sunburst dial fan

ivan11

thank you very much for your comments, some of my suspicions were confirmed. Otherwise, the condition of the watch case is not bad.

Looks a lot better in these photos

 

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ivan11

·Apr 13, 2023

I don't know if these impressions can indicate a redial

 

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DirtyDozen12

·Apr 13, 2023·Thanks, mystery donor!

Those impressions do strike me as suspicious, assuming that they are on the dial and not the crystal.

Additionally, does the sub-dial have clearly visible concentric circles like the examples below? If not, this combined with the imperfect signature and very white appearance of the dial would lead me to conclude that it has been refinished. The more I look at it, the more suspicious it appears.

Source: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2842414075...-53473-19255-0&campid=5338788128&toolid=10001

Source: https://www.chrono24.com/longines/l...-longines-archives-extra--id28114803.htm#gref

 

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ivan11

·Apr 13, 2023

The sub-dial dont have visible concentric circles and I impressions on dial are not reflection from the crystal.
It also seems to me that the watch was restored a long time ago, because according to the seller's statement, it was bought in that condition during the 80s while his father was working in Switzerland.

 

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DirtyDozen12

·Apr 13, 2023·Thanks, mystery donor!

I expect that the watch is from the mid-1950s so I could imagine that it was restored 25 years later in the early 1980s, for example.