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Hi all, I have this reduced Speedy and I don't really know what to think about the red "trotteuse". I have seen a few of those in the past, mostly coming from Japan. However, I am not sure if the 3510.50 was available in Japan with this red hand or if it was installed later. What do you think? Except from the fact that it's not on 12h exactly... ;-)

Thanks for any help!

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Well, a 35105000 does not come with a red hand. Now is there another model that does come with a red hand? Yes, several, but none with a black dial.

So my feeling is that this is someone's mod to make something close to a "Reduced Ultraman"...
 
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Well yes, the 3513.53.00 came with black dial and a red register hand. There were so many variations issued for certain markets especially for the Japanese market that are not very well known. So just because we have not seen it, that does not mean it never existed.
About ten years ago I sold a 105.003 with racing dial and racing hands. I have never seen one before or afterwards - only in books and that's the only watch I ever regretted to have sold...
I am not fishing for a super value Speedy here - I just would like to know....
 
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alingher alingher
Well yes, the 3513.53.00 came with black dial and a red register hand.

That is not a Speedmaster Reduced model, it's a Speedmaster Date model, and I've serviced those before.

Again, there aren't any Reduced models with red hand and black dial.
 
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Again, there aren't any Reduced models with red hand and black dial.

So you would say, because you have never seen one or heard of one, they were never sold in this configuration? Anywhere? Well, I have never seen another either. Howsoever, I will ask the new vintage guys in Biel. They should know. No biggy if not - it's just a question of replacing the hand or not...
 
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So you would say, because you have never seen one or heard of one, they were never sold in this configuration? Anywhere? Well, I have never seen another either. Howsoever, I will ask the new vintage guys in Biel. They should know. No biggy if not - it's just a question of replacing the hand or not...

You don't have to believe me if you do not want to. And no, I'm not basing this on never having seen or heard of one.

I looked up the red hand that is used on the models that have blue and yellow dials on the Omega Extranet, and then cross referenced all the watches that this red hand is used on - not one watch came up as a black dial. This is on Omega's own system, so good luck with your enquiry.
 
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Well, this has not so much to do with believing you or not, has it? A statement in a forum about whether a watch configuration existed or not is not per se a fact. That the red hand is not listed as a service part for the 3510.50.00 is a good hint why it probably never was. But this does not mean for sure that there never was a batch that was delivered somewhere in this configuration. I am pretty sure that you can find parts that were used on small special badges that are not listed as service parts for the regular reference the batch stems from.

But as I wrote, it's not that important and I am sorry should you have felt offended by my doubts...
 
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alingher alingher
A statement in a forum about whether a watch configuration existed or not is not per se a fact.

No, of course not, which is why I spent the time to do the actual research required to find out of this was legit or not.

By the way, all the Japan only LE's are listed on the Omega Extranet in all their variations. By the time these watches were being made, the old "wild west" days were done and things were documented properly.

alingher alingher
That the red hand is not listed as a service part for the 3510.50.00 is a good hint why it probably never was.

If there was a version with a red hand, it would not be a 35105000. The PIC number describes the watch in it's entirety, so if there was a watch with a red hand it would have a different PIC number.

You keep saying it's not important, but also keep pressing that despite the evidence presented, it's somehow still possible. Until proven otherwise, it's a red hand that someone stuck on a watch. Nothing more.
 
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No, of course not, which is why I spent the time to do the actual research required to find out of this was legit or not.

By the way, all the Japan only LE's are listed on the Omega Extranet in all their variations. By the time these watches were being made, the old "wild west" days were done and things were documented properly.



If there was a version with a red hand, it would not be a 35105000. The PIC number describes the watch in it's entirety, so if there was a watch with a red hand it would have a different PIC number.

You keep saying it's not important, but also keep pressing that despite the evidence presented, it's somehow still possible. Until proven otherwise, it's a red hand that someone stuck on a watch. Nothing more.

I admire your patience, Al 👍
 
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alingher alingher
Well, this has not so much to do with believing you or not, has it? A statement in a forum about whether a watch configuration existed or not is not per se a fact.

And yet you asked on a watch forum for opinions. Go figure 😀
 
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And yet you asked on a watch forum for opinions. Go figure 😀

It's always difficult for those looking for a specific answer, when they don't get that answer. Suddenly the need for answers from the forum goes away...
 
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Ultraduced?

(PS Looks daft in my opinion.)
 
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It's always difficult for those looking for a specific answer, when they don't get that answer. Suddenly the need for answers from the forum goes away...
A bit like legal advice. Sometimes they only want the advice they want to hear.....
 
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No, wait, ultrawoman.

Ultraboy?

Ultramatic?

Still looks daft though.
 
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