Recent Omega Negativity

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Rolex is too expensive for most people, right now Omega is overpriced for most people. And the difference in meaning between those two sentences might be subtle, it is quite massive.
For the moment I will agree, but the reasons, as you indicate, are completely irrational. Rolex has a mythical quality that has been carefully curated over decades, and will cause people to pay way over list, buy copious quantities of things they don’t want to move up an imaginary list, and to mindlessly defend everything the brand does, even when their own watches are failing and Rolex can’t make it right.

That’s not something Omega (or anyone else) is ever going to replicate, so if people keep comparing Omega to that standard they will always be very disappointed. The continued comparison is not helpful in my view. It has nothing to do with Omega, the number of models they make, or what the resale value is.

So since Omega cannot really affect the “value” side of the equation in the way that Rolex has, even if they did everything here that people suggest with regards to culling the collection, there’s only one way to make them not “overpriced”…and that would come with its own set of problems.

At least if people are “raging “ that means they care, so there’s at least something positive there. 😉
 
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I will admit to the possibility of some hyperbole there.... or maybe very slight exaggeration
 
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Omega is clearly trying to move upmarket and compete more directly with Rolex. The move to Co-Axial movements was probably part of that strategy, and the steady price increases are another. If you average Omega’s price increases over several decades, they work out to roughly five percent per year. There was a noticeable bump when the Co-Axial movement first appeared, but prices were largely flat the following year and then resumed the usual gradual climb.

Technically speaking, Omega is perfectly capable of making watches every bit as good as Rolex. The idea that Rolex is inherently “better” is mostly perception, and that perception is what drives speculation and inflated secondary market prices. In many ways Omega seems to be chasing a specter that exists largely in collectors’ minds - something that could just as easily shift if tastes change.

A lot of the current criticism seems to revolve around Omega having a “bloated” catalog. I’m not convinced that’s actually a real problem. From a manufacturing standpoint most of these models share the same movements, cases, and bracelets. What looks like a huge catalog is often just different dial colors, materials, or small variations built on the same platforms. In many industries a broader set of SKUs is actually a strength because it lets you cover more of the market. Rolex has chosen the opposite approach: a very tight catalog, slow evolution, and constrained supply. That strategy creates scarcity and drives the secondary market, but it’s not inherently better - just different.

Personally I’m not sure that Rolex’s business model is even something worth emulating. You end up with a relatively monochrome catalog and a handful of unusual or precious metal pieces that cost multiples of the standard models. It works incredibly well for Rolex, but that doesn’t mean it’s the only viable way to sell watches.

Stepping back even further, mechanical watches themselves are unnecessary and anachronistic technology. Luxury mechanical watches in particular are wildly overpriced across the board. Inflation alone doesn’t explain the price levels we see today, not even close. Even if you factor in heritage, brand mythology, and the emotional value collectors attach to these brands, you could probably justify something closer to half of current MSRP for most of them. Rolex might still command a premium because of the brand dynamics around it, but the gap between Rolex cost and Rolex price would still be extremely large.

That’s part of why microbrands-and even some of the more grounded mainstream brands can offer real value today. They’re producing solid watches without leaning quite as heavily on the mythology and marketing that drive luxury pricing.

So I’m not convinced Omega’s issue, if there is one, has anything to do with catalog size. It may simply be that some buyers are becoming less willing to play along with the traditional watch industry narratives. If perception can elevate a brand, it can also shift the other way.

Nothing particularly new here.
 
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Sheesh, can it stop already?!? I'm ready to go for some sunshine filled hikes. This is ridiculous.
Heat dome is on the way! We'll probably complain about that too. 🤦
 
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Ya'll aren't enjoying that lovely Portland Liquid Sunshine?
Okay, story time.

We moved to Portland in 1999 from DC. Our daughter was almost 2 years old.

Couple years go by and we're driving somewhere with her in the back in her car seat. Radios on and the weather report comes on. The announcer said it's going to rain the next day. Our daughter raises both her arms and loudly says, "All right, RAIN!" She was completely serious.

That's a real Oregonian. For what it's worth, we never use an umbrella
 
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Okay, story time.

We moved to Portland in 1999 from DC. Our daughter was almost 2 years old.

Couple years go by and we're driving somewhere with her in the back in her car seat. Radios on and the weather report comes on. The announcer said it's going to rain the next day. Our daughter raises both her arms and loudly says, "All right, RAIN!" She was completely serious.

That's a real Oregonian. For what it's worth, we never use an umbrella
I don't think I OWN an umbrella 😁 Only been here since 2007 and don't mind the rain (other than it ruins my driveway every winter), but yeah, definitely prefer the sunshine.

Fortunately I have a 'bright' speedmaster or two to add sunshine to my day.
 
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There’s plenty of chatter about Rolex versus Omega. From what I’ve seen, there are loads of pre-owned Rolex watches for sale on cruise ships and in Caribbean jewelry stores. It makes me think Rolex has an “old man’s watch” image (and I own both brands), and the younger generation inheriting them just isn’t interested. It’s a bit surprising they then criticize Omega, but let’s be real—they probably don’t want a watch at all.
I remember back in the late 1980s to early 1990s, this was very much the case. In the 18-35 year old age bracket, a sports TAG Heuer was the watch to have. Swatch was also very popular.
 
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Haven't posted in a long time and OP's topic just came at the right time as I also have some thoughts about Omega recently.

I got into watches during Covid times - yes, the worst time. At the time it seems Omega is on the rise, with the "hype" about Snoopy, the NTTD and the 321 (I got the latter two). At that time it seems Omega is carving out a nice path, you can tell they put quite a bit of thoughts in those models, and also respecting their heritage.

Fast forward a few years, I think save for the FOIS, there are not much noise about any of their watches. To make matters worse, they are using what are supposedly unique features of certain models (for e.g., the bracelet of NTTD, the ceramic bezel on 321) and applied on other standard models. It also doesn't help that they keep the so called more "special" models in the catalogue for too long.

Nothing wrong with that per se, but I feel like Omega has been treading the same wheel. Even though I don't buy watches to speculate, the fact is that they are much harder to liquidate, and hence if a new buyer is in the market for one, they will be less likely to choose Omega simply for this fact, as there are many other brands to choose from.

The Omega Moonswatch is also, IMHO, going on for too long now but I suspect this won't be going away. A great idea when it first launched but they have been milking this to death. I hope we can see some Omega watches in the future which can genuinely spark interests for the wider public.
 
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Rolex actually does have a few beers Omega can hold. Here's but one of them.😉

That thing is as ugly as a hat full of arseholes!
 
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Of course! How could I forget these, Al? Such uncompromising examples of aesthetic loveliness. I mean, who wouldn't want to impress people with these beauties?
And those are as ugly as an arsehole full of arseholes!
Why would someone pay Rolex prices for what looks like a a poor Invicta copy?
 
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I don't think I OWN an umbrella 😁 Only been here since 2007 and don't mind the rain (other than it ruins my driveway every winter), but yeah, definitely prefer the sunshine.

Fortunately I have a 'bright' speedmaster or two to add sunshine to my day.
Its not rain if you can wear a Speedmaster.
 
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And those are as ugly as an arsehole full of arseholes!
Why would someone pay Rolex prices for what looks like a a poor Invicta copy?
Because, well, Rolex.

While respect is deserved for producing a number of the world’s most iconic watches, the brand also makes people do the craziest shit. Genuflecting unwaveringly at the Crown’s exalted alter, for example, they hope ownership delivers that fairy dust mythical status. And with the well documented ‘face ID tactics’ employed by Rolex dealers everywhere, the entrance fee to Club Crown is oftentimes a watch that, as you so perfectly describe, looks like an arsehole full of arseholes.

I’m not going to win favour with their supporters but for me, when it comes to Rolex, Groucho Marx said it best: ‘I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.’
 
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TOO THICK, AND PROPORTIONS ARE OFF!!! At least in the dive watches, and for my wrist. I'd pay $10K for a smaller, thinner Diver 300M. Whew, felt good unloading that. Thanks, carry on.
 
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Short, simple and maybe mistaken. When they launch the actual SMP300 (which I own), there was a wrong decision that have hurt all these years. 42mm instead of 41mm...well and I don´t will again and again talk of the thickness...The SMP is a very important watch for Omega.
 
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A thread about Omega negativity turns into Rolex bashing. What a surprise!
 
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Rolexs need bashing........... each and every one of the things needs a good bash from a hammer!
⚒️ 🤣
 
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A thread about Omega negativity turns into Rolex bashing. What a surprise!

Well, it's not quite that simple, but...
 
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Rolex has a mythical quality that has been carefully curated over decades, and will cause people to pay way over list, buy copious quantities of things they don’t want to move up an imaginary list, and to mindlessly defend everything the brand does, even when their own watches are failing and Rolex can’t make it right.
This hits the nail on the head for me. All makers of any luxury items are in the same boat: convincing consumers that an object is "worth" far more than its component parts or utilitarian value--effectively covering their margins so to speak. That's done by getting the customer to buy into a story, and Rolex has concocted the most powerful story. I'm sure other brands envy this and would love to emulate it but the likelihood of success I'm sure follows a bell curve, and there can be only one with this level of brand power.

Even a brand that has watches available and wants to sell them to me without a wait list still won't let me just pop in, pick one up and walk it to the register as if I'm buying milk. I have to let them put on the performance with the gloves and the show room with the lights turned up to level Swarovski and take me on a psychological journey through the looking glass. There are people who want this experience and while I prefer to shop secondary market for "bargains" for my own nerdy interests, if it gives my wife an appreciation of a nice time piece I want to buy her (because she will never care about the nerdy things I have to say about it) then it still serves a purpose.

The fact that Rolex has their customer experience so dialed in that it has an effect on the secondary market is just a function of how well they have positioned themselves. Frankly every brand has a diehard cult-like subculture, but that doesn't mean there isn't also a good story for people with other interests/philosophies in pursuing the same item.

I'm not immune to a good story. I went to Space Camp. I think the moonwatch is just plain cool. You'd think I'd be into the dive watches too. I like Bond movies and loved Nintendo64 Goldeneye in the 90s, yet my mind doesn't obsess over Seamasters in the same way. The heart wants what it wants.

To buy a luxury watch is human, to get a discount is divine.
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