Receiving multiple international wires and declaring lower values

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And the blurb above or next to the signature is what brings you undone in any court. Many with deep pockets can wriggle out of fines or what they have but they all walk away with a false decleration record.

Then there is the international sharing of information at borders so the country your traveling to will know that you have falsely declared at your own country so 😒

Lastly you might get spoken to and think it's all good but the officer will write it up at the end of the shift.

And just for fun and show how long they are kept



Pick the name 😗
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And the blurb above or next to the signature is what brings you undone in any court. Many with deep pockets can wriggle out of fines or what they have but they all walk away with a false decleration record.

Then there is the international sharing of information at borders so the country your traveling to will know that you have falsely declared at your own country so 😒

Lastly you might get spoken to and think it's all good but the officer will write it up at the end of the shift.

And just for fun and show how long they are kept



Pick the name 😗
Never heard of the guy....
 
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Never heard of the guy....

Hope you are being sarcastic........
 
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When your personal morals or ethics conflict with tax or customs laws and the government authorities tasked with applying these laws, there is generally only one winner (hint - it ain't you 😉)

Why not go the whole hog and try declaring yourself a Sovereign Citizen or Freeman on the Land 🤪
Not sure how that would work long term 🤔
 
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Always. Well, almost always. In this case yes.

Even if you haven't, don't worry....over rated! 😀

Not sure how that would work long term 🤔

There's is some irony that Kiefer now plays the US President on TV...
 
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Not sure how that would work long term 🤔

Thanks for the laugh 👍👍
 
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And the blurb above or next to the signature is what brings you undone in any court. Many with deep pockets can wriggle out of fines or what they have but they all walk away with a false decleration record.

Then there is the international sharing of information at borders so the country your traveling to will know that you have falsely declared at your own country so 😒

Lastly you might get spoken to and think it's all good but the officer will write it up at the end of the shift.

And just for fun and show how long they are kept



Pick the name 😗
See nobody reads the fine print on those as there's too much of it. The Singaporean arrivals card is much more concise with its big red letters "DEATH FOR DRUG TRAFFICERS UNDER SINGAPORE LAW" with the cheerful British pilot announcing the warning right after the air temperature in Changi over the intercom and that the preferred method is long drop hanging.

Important to get the headline facts out there where they can be seen.
 
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See nobody reads the fine print on those as there's too much of it.

Bit like the stickies in the FS thread. 😉
 
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See nobody reads the fine print on those as there's too much of it. The Singaporean arrivals card is much more concise with its big red letters "DEATH FOR DRUG TRAFFICERS UNDER SINGAPORE LAW" with the cheerful British pilot
And it is not optional, it is....
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And it is not optional, it is....
It seems to work, even hanging out with finance / banking guys over there I never saw any gear around or offered at all, with the same kind of guys back in Australia that was a very different story.
 
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This whole thread reminds me of an old joke:
Here is a conversation between a very sophisticated gentleman and a very respectable lady at a party.

“Well,” says the gentleman, “just for the sake of our argument, suppose I offered you $1000—would you spend the night with me?”

The lady, smiling coquettishly: “Who knows—I might very well!”

The gentleman: “Now suppose I offer you $10 for the night?”

The lady: “But what do you think I am?”

The gentleman: “We’ve already established what you are. Now we’re just haggling over the price.”

The point is that equivocating and pontificating about rip-off governmental import taxes and charges are simply "straw-man" arguments.

The real issue is that most of you live in democracies of one sort or another. If you don't like the laws, do what you can to change them.

If it is that oppressive, then vote with your feet.

Fraud is fraud and is a crime in most countries. I certainly would not advocate breaking the law in a public forum under any circumstances.

Referring to the joke above, what two adults want to do in privacy is their own business and not anyone else's.
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Apparently you don't read very well. I never said anything about the declared value being bank fraud. It is manipulating wire transfers to hide the total amount sent that is the issue. Wire transfers in the US are tightly regulated and controlled by the FED . They monitor them very closely. You break there rules, it is called wire/bank fraud.

Yes, though if you are an American TBTF bank, no individual has to take personal responsibility, and the company gets off with a small, "cost of doing business" fine.
 
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Yes, and if you are an American TBTF bank, no individual has to take personal responsibility, and the company gets off with a small, "cost of doing business" fine.
Does that make it OK? We all know the "golden rule".

Not sure of your point here.
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My point is simply that enforcement of the laws is selective, and (obviously) favors those with money and/or political clout.
 
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Apparently you don't read very well. I never said anything about the declared value being bank fraud. It is manipulating wire transfers to hide the total amount sent that is the issue. Wire transfers in the US are tightly regulated and controlled by the FED . They monitor them very closely. You break there rules, it is called wire/bank fraud.
Thanks for questioning my reading ability. You were obviously referencing splitting up the amount into two transfers in the course of declaring a lower value. Are you saying that transferring money to another party in the states is bank fraud? And it is monitored so tightly? Boy, am I lucky to be not in prison as I have done that countless times (no, not for under declaring values of items but due to account limitations etc.). There is nothing illegal even in the US in transferring clean money to a third party for legal goods. Even if you break up the transfer. And especially for the receiving party. Please enlighten me further and link to the law/regulation in question if it should be otherwise.
 
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Thanks for questioning my reading ability. You were obviously referencing splitting up the amount into two transfers in the course of declaring a lower value. Are you saying that transferring money to another party in the states is bank fraud? And it is monitored so tightly? Boy, am I lucky to be not in prison as I have done that countless times (no, not for under declaring values of items but due to account limitations etc.). There is nothing illegal even in the US in transferring clean money to a third party for legal goods. Even if you break up the transfer. And especially for the receiving party. Please enlighten me further and link to the law/regulation in question if it should be otherwise.
We are done with the pedantic arguments . No one is saying buying a watch is laundering. No one is saying merely sending two payments for a watch is wire fraud. A lot of hyperbole was used to make a point and for humor (too subtle for some). But the smuggling watches is a common crime that has been investigated by government The point is, do you want the (a) government scrutinizing all of your finances and transactions because they were suspicious?
Read this below link. No it does not refer to the small time purchase or transfers we have been talking about, but do you want to fall under the broad misguided lens?
Standy said it best when explaining that a small time customs inaccuracy can invite a lifetime of scrutiny.
I am done with this a this point as it has little to do with enjoyable discussions about watches.

https://piie.com/publications/chapters_preview/381/3iie3705.pdf
Little to do with us here, but interesting

PS, sorry about insulting your reading ability. Perhaps your intentions were benign
 
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Might be spoiled by other forums where people point out prison as a direct result to minor offenses (and mean it) - might have overreacted. Think this here is really about doing a "favor" or not. I personally wouldn't do this, especially not in the way proposed. Not because of risk but because the rigmarole is annoying - if someone buys outside of country he knows what he is liable for and should pay up.