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Actually no, it’s not. These are not exactly rare … going as far as to say they are ‘rare as Rolex’ in the sense that there are very many of them made. There will be evidence of market value (aka what the market is prepared to pay for such a piece) quite recently by searching for recent sold listings (on eBay, here etc).

Here, let me do your research for you ...

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I am not arguing that 3572 with luminova dials are or aren't rare. 3572 with tritium dial and rhodium plated movement on the other hand are not so common and I have noticed that some sellers misrepresent their 3592 with gilt movements as 3572.

And I did the same ebay search and it came back with only one sold luminova 3572.

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I am not arguing that 3572 with luminova dials are or aren't rare. 3572 with tritium dial and rhodium plated movement on the other hand are not so common and I have noticed that some sellers misrepresent their 3592 with gilt movements as 3572.

And I did the same ebay search and it came back with only one sold luminova 3572.

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Yes, but who really cares? A 3572 with gilt movement and tritium dial is essentially a 3592…the fact that it is ‘transitional’ is a nice quirk, but nothing more.
 
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Yes, but who really cares? A 3572 with gilt movement and tritium dial is essentially a 3592…the fact that it is ‘transitional’ is a nice quirk, but nothing more.

I think this is the key point that the OP is reluctant to accept. It's a cliche, but true that value is only related to what someone will pay, and I tried to make some practical comments along those lines, but the OP indicated that my post was irrelevant and continued to point towards a single unrealistic asking price on Chrono24 as if that is meaningful in any way. He will understand better when he actually tries to sell. It's like trying to give advice to a teenager, who has no actual practical experience, but still knows better than you do.
 
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Yes, but who really cares? A 3572 with gilt movement and tritium dial is essentially a 3592…the fact that it is ‘transitional’ is a nice quirk, but nothing more.

well, 3592 have 17j 863 movement, 3572 have 18j 1863 movement.
 
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well, 3592 have 17j 863 movement, 3572 have 18j 1863 movement.

So, any offers for $8k by PM yet? Your desire to sell the watch has been well advertised by now.
 
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First one is 3592, second one have luminova dial 😀

Yep. Ball parking it. I edited it to add an 861.

I am being lazy, for sure. But the point is thatv8k is probably high. Ndgal is a professional dealer with excellent watches. His is the highest range as it comes with his backing.

It's a tougher time to sell unless it's priced right, which for a private seller probably means 5k tops, IMHO. Higher for insurance purposes.

GLWTS, whatever you decide.
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So, any offers for $8k by PM yet? Your desire to sell the watch has been well advertised by now.

My desire was to understand price and let me worry when and how I will sell it.
 
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To the OP, 4k to 5k$ seems, to my eyes, an appropriate estimate and one you would get here : a value that people think they will be ready to pay if looking for that particular watch. And comparing it to other speedmasters available on the market - which is what makes more sense to me. From 6k$ look at what has been sold here...

But, this is not a science only an estimate.

The fact that your watch is not so common doesn't put it out of market price so easily I think. I guess this is what is debatable here.

At the end of the day, you will be the one to decide your expectations and put it to the market test.

And it will be interesting to get your feedback when you get this one sold.
 
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The fact that your watch is not so common doesn't put it out of market price so easily I think. I guess this is what is debatable here.

At the end of the day, you will be the one to decide your expectations and put it to the market test.

And it will be interesting to get your feedback when you get this one sold.

That's exactly what I am trying to understand.

For example I have another Omega from early 2000's. I bought it several years ago and haven't seen another one for sale since then. How do you price something when you cannot establish any baseline. And no, I am not trying to stealth sell this one too, in case anyone accuses of post farming. This was legit question for insurance purposes.
 
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How do you price something when you cannot establish any baseline.
With rare watches with no benchmark I sometimes threw a watch on chrono with a 'opportunistic' price. Just to get a sense of the market. If it would'nt sell I would withdrew it and a couple of months later post it again with a more realistic price.

By the way, keep in mind. Rare does'nt always mean more expensive. There are a lot of rare watches that nobody wants.
 
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That's exactly what I am trying to understand.

For example I have another Omega from early 2000's. I bought it several years ago and haven't seen another one for sale since then. How do you price something when you cannot establish any baseline. And no, I am not trying to stealth sell this one too, in case anyone accuses of post farming. This was legit question for insurance purposes.
Understand that. I think the answer so far is that even though it is not a common version, those particularities don’t set it so much aside of the others per se - to carry a 100% mark up as in C24 - at least from the point of view of those who are answering to your question here.
I think from your 1st post you already have a good / gut feeling that the 8k requested on C24 is too high. After maybe you can find someone really looking for that particular configuration and ready to pay for a mark up over 20%… not sure you can still call this a market estimate.
 
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The premium for a tritium dial will be small to non existent I feel. Look at tritium vs superluminova 14060’s or Explorer 2’s. Condition will play at much more significant part.
All things being equal, I’d say 5% premium. Maybe 10% at a push.
 
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Nice watch. At the upper end of the tritium lume Hesalite Sandwich spectrum certainly, but that spectrum tops out somewhere under €5K at most. In reality it might struggle to make over €4.5K in a fair open auction.

Don't get hung on movement finish or number of jewels. There have been dozens of incremental changes to Speedies over the decades and some actually prefer the older gilt finish on a 90s watch so dont assume that every quirk adds value. Indeed there are 17j marked models with 18j in fact, those are rarer still!

Also remember that rare doesn't always equal valuable. Sometimes items are rare for a reason, there was just a more popular combination of factors that sold better. I do personally like the 1996-1997 transitional models (3570 and 3572) and would take one over a 1995 or 1998 depending on whether I wanted tritium or SL but I wouldn't be paying much of a premium, if any.
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pdxleaf
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My desire was to understand price and let me worry when and how I will sell it.

True, except price can be subject to how you sell it.

Quick sale, sale to informed collector, ebay, private trade, insurance, probably others.

Anyway, seems like you have a lot of good feedback.

Happy New Year too.
 
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YYTIN YYTIN
I think from your 1st post you already have a good / gut feeling that the 8k requested on C24 is too high.

yes, of course I agree that 8k is overkill.
 
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Hey fυck-face qbesq!......keep posting so that everyone on this forum can continue to see your ignorance that goes along with your elementary grade level of education!....LOL!

What a dip-shit!......LOL!


Do you talk like this when your mother is in the room?

@dsio have a word, please.
 
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