Read It And Weep - Omega Catalog Selections And Price List Ca 1970

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From page 23, I'd like to order one A-55.馃檮
I would order 10 A-55s lol

Yes - that's the 145.006 with a 321 / 145.016 with an 861. There has to be over $1000 worth of scrap value for just the watch head at today's gold prices.
 
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Just keep in perspective the fact that in 1970, a $20K annual salary was a good middle class wage and $4,000 bought you a nice car.

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Just keep in perspective the fact that in 1970, a $20K annual salary was a good middle class wage and $4,000 bought you a nice car.

gatorcpa

Spoil our temporary lack perspective..will ya馃檨 Reality perspective noted. In 1974, as an entry level Federal US Gov't employee, I was making just under $5.700 a year, and thought that was ok.
 
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Geez, my old 145.006 Seamaster caliber 321 was $650 back then. Can't touch it for under $3K now and that's only if you're lucky. Even the 861 versions sell for $2500 - $3300 depending on condition.

Hate to state the somewhat obvious, but, $650 1970 dollars is just over $3,000 2013 dollars.
 
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Hate to state the somewhat obvious, but, $650 1970 dollars is just over $3,000 2013 dollars.
How have you grown that? CPI? GDP? Adjusted for exchange rates? I know we have had this discussion before, bit to me the best comparison is as a percentage of wages or growing it by average wage growth.
 
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A great deal or a bad one, depending on how smart you were with your money.
growth rate .........value of $195 @43 years
0% .......................$195.00
1% .......................$299.13
2% .......................$456.92
3% .......................$695.08
4% ......................$1,053.10
5% ......................$1,589.19
6% ......................$2,388.84
7% ......................$3,577.15
8% ......................$5,336.49
9% ......................$7,931.84
10% ....................$11,746.81
 
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Hate to state the somewhat obvious, but, $650 1970 dollars is just over $3,000 2013 dollars.

It's very far from obvious. 馃槦

Remember that Omega paid employees in Swiss francs in 1970 and they still do today. In 1970, $1 bought 4.3 francs. Now it buys about 92 centimes. That's a exchange rate factor of 4.7x that applies on top of rate of inflation. You can look that up here:

http://www.measuringworth.com/exchangeglobal/

So that $650 in 1970, was worth about Sfr. 3,000 then. Using the same rate of inflation brings us to about Sfr. 13,800 today. At the current exchange rate of $1.08 per franc, that gives us a little less than $15,000 today.

What's a nice new 18K Omega chronograph going for these days? 馃槙
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How have you grown that? CPI? GDP? Adjusted for exchange rates? I know we have had this discussion before, bit to me the best comparison is as a percentage of wages or growing it by average wage growth.


Better comparison methods involve purchasing power on commodity items specifically returning later to investment comparisons, which seems what many here are actually doing), which commodity comparisons can be calculated various ways - as between 1970 and 2012, in United States dollars (I don't know why francs would be important to this discussion at all, since we're comparing US dollars and apples to apples).

In 2012, the relative "real price" of a 1970 $650 commodity is around $3,650.00, while the "real value" of that commodity is around $3,700.00, the "labor value" is around $3,610.00 (using the unskilled wage) or $4,370.00 (using production worker compensation), and the "income value" is around $1,350.00

"Real price" compares to the cost of a fixed bundle of other necessary commodities at the time (e.g. shelter, food, medicines) using CPI, "real value" is similar except uses VCB because over time we've actually bought greater amounts of those things (e.g. we eat more and demand more square footage in our shelter), "labor value" uses any 'ole wage index, and "income value" uses GDP.

So, whether the actual figure is $1,000 or $4,000, on any number of comparisons, what I meant by something being "obvious" is that it seemed obvious we ought not sit back and wax poetic about what a great investment a now $3,000 vintage watch has been since it originally cost only $650 in 1970. No matter how you cut it, it's essentially the same amount of money in terms of a commodity (or at least not so drastic that we should sit back in awe), and even of it's slightly better, as richardew points out above, an INVESTMENT comparison can make it even less relative: you either did 1% or 20% on your 1970 investment, making the watch either a good or bad relative investment. (All this is setting aside the revisionist history provided by hindsight of knowing which watch "investments" were going to pan out over 35 years, and also otherwise needing to subtract the value of any wrong guesses from the right guesses.)

Though, in any event, your other commodities or investments are unlikely to be so beautiful and wearable.
 
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Better comparison methods involve purchasing power on commodity items specifically returning later to investment comparisons, which seems what many here are actually doing), which commodity comparisons can be calculated various ways - as between 1970 and 2012, in United States dollars (I don't know why francs would be important to this discussion at all, since we're comparing US dollars and apples to apples).

The reason the relative value of the Swiss franc is extremely important is that Omega manufactured these watches in Switzerland for sale to its US affiliate at that time, Norman Morris, Inc. When the franc became more expensive against the dollar, it would be imperative that Omega would need to raise its price in the US so that the less valuable dollars would be able to cover its expenses in Swiss francs. Otherwise they would have been operating at an astronomical loss. This did happen for a time in the 1980's and 1990's. This period coincided with the production of very cheap quartz watches from Asia and almost closed the Swiss watch industry for good.

In the short term, a small difference in the exchange rate could generally be made up through currency hedging or other means. However, I don't think you can ignore such a huge swing in the relative exchange rate (almost 500%) over a 40+ year period. What you really need to do is find a 1970 price list in Swiss francs, inflate those prices by the relative change in prices for commodities as you did above, then apply the current exchange rate to those "apples to apples" numbers to arrive at a current value. I suspect that it would be a lot closer to my figures than yours.

Even today, the transfer price that Omega Bienne charges its (presumably Omega-owned) US affiliate to purchase watches from the factory has to be affected by exchange rates, otherwise they would eventually be in violation of one country or another's tax laws. Generally, multi-national corporations like Swatch Group have to hire professional economists to determine a transfer price between the national affiliates that will allocate profit fairly and meet the law in both countries.

It's something I deal with in my practice on a constant basis,
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Forget the retail prices.....what about the jeweler's prices? Appears to almost be %50 mark up.
 
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Forget the retail prices.....what about the jeweler's prices? Appears to almost be %50 mark up.

That's nothing - you should see how much gold and diamonds are marked up. Making only one number is a low margin in that industry.
 
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Of course watches were hardly alone in the context of this thread. Given a time machine, I'd find a way to convince that rich uncle to lend me the $13k...

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(The '61 retailed for approximately the same price as the '64)
 
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Excellent idea.
How about a section dedicated to past brochures categorised by their respective year?
This would be very helpful in determining whether watches bought today are authentic or not?
 
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You'd be much better off looking here:

http://www.measuringworth.com/

See my posts above for why.

How about a section dedicated to past brochures categorised by their respective year?
This would be very helpful in determining whether watches bought today are authentic or not?

This already exists to some extent, at least for the 1960's and '70's.

http://old-omegas.com/

Lots of instruction manuals for the older calibers there as well.

ULF - I know you put in the "official video", but this is the one I'll always remember:

You're still here?
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This already exists to some extent, at least for the 1960's and '70's.

http://old-omegas.com/

Lots of instruction manuals for the older calibers there as well.

Very interesting and helpful.
I will certainly be checking this site out more thoroughly.