Rare Omega Speedmaster Holy Grail 376.0822 Jet Black Non-Wedge Prototype Dial?

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If you've been paying attention to this thread, you'll see that the plate is indeed completely different than the normal factory grail dial. Pay close attention to this detail, as well as the black pebble (non-matte) finish.

I stopped paying attention when you started throwing slurs about friends of mine.
 
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Going to post my end links under a separate heading as I was hoping for more of a response
Thanks all
 
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Personally I think you have a small production watch with a higher then normal factory service incidence due to Germans being German and adhearing to factory service recommendations. As it’s a Tritium dial it would have been replaced as per the service to retain luminosity.

It’s not a huge stretch to assume Omega ordered many small batches as service dials leading to minute small variations in the service dials. I’m not sure why a high quality redial would ever be performed the watch is not old enough for dial degradation that would require that. The cost to do it with correct fonts and factory precision just doesn’t seem to be there, nor be cost effective.
 
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My dial is tritium. Therefore, it cannot be a service dial.

Personally I think you have a small production watch with a higher then normal factory service incidence due to Germans being German and adhearing to factory service recommendations. As it’s a Tritium dial it would have been replaced as per the service to retain luminosity.

It’s not a huge stretch to assume Omega ordered many small batches as service dials leading to minute small variations in the service dials. I’m not sure why a high quality redial would ever be performed the watch is not old enough for dial degradation that would require that. The cost to do it with correct fonts and factory precision just doesn’t seem to be there, nor be cost effective.
 
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My dial is tritium. Therefore, it cannot be a service dial.
That’s doesn’t follow. Service dials before 1999 can be Tritium. There are a lot of Tritium service dials out there.
In theory a watch purchased new in 87 could have had 3 services before 1999. At least one of those would have replaced the dial.
 
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I stand corrected. What's to say my dial isn't a prototype dial? If it's indeed a service dial, surely there would be more examples in the world.

That’s doesn’t follow. Service dials before 1999 can be Tritium. There are a lot of Tritium service dials out there.
 
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I stand corrected. What's to stay my dial isn't a prototype dial? If it's indeed a service dial, surely there would be more examples in the world.
Did you read what I said? Do you have a basic understanding of why a watch would get a new dial at 5 years old in a perfect watch when factory serviced?

Have you ever seen the variation in 321 service dials? Everything I stated is completly in-line with how Omega services watches and most likely stocks service dials.

Occams Razor dictates the easiest most plausible explanation is the most likely. The odds of a factory prototype is extremely low, and an extract will with 90% certainty disprove it, and I’m 99% sure the extract will not say prototype. The problem is an extract can be argued not to have this info, or a prototype dial found its way into production.

At the end of the day there is no way to 100% prove one way or another. You can believe what you want but everyone else is thinking service or redial. I personally don’t believe it’s a redial, but another service dial from a small batch.
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Thanks for the info. However, going back to my previous point, if it was indeed a service dial, why are there no other living examples of my dial in existence? At least with the 321 variations, there are multiple examples of each form of service dial.

Did you read what I said? Do you have a basic understanding of why a watch would get a new dial at 5 years old in a perfect watch when factory serviced?

Have you ever seen the variation in 321 service dials? Everything I stated is completly in-line with how Omega services watches and most likely stocks service dials.

Occams Razor dictates the easiest most plausible explanation is the most likely. The odds of a factory prototype is extremely low, and an extract will with 90% certainty disprove it, and I’m 99% sure the way extract will not prototype. The problem is an extract can be argued not to have this info or a prototype dial found its way into production.

At the end of the day there is no way to 100% prove one way or another. You can believe what you want but everyone else is thinking service or redial. I personally don’t believe it’s a redial, but another service dial from a small batch.
 
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I am now asking myself what’s the purpose of that subbornness about a hypothetical prototype dial?

There is obviously no evidence to confirm it nor any valid reason to deny so how long are you planning to entertain the status quo @OmegaRolex ?
 
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I am now asking myself what’s the purpose of that subbornness about a hypothetical prototype dial?

There is obviously no evidence to confirm it nor any valid reason to deny so how long are you planning to entertain the status quo @OmegaRolex ?

So it can be sold for big money after months of hyping.
 
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So it can be sold for big money after months of hyping.

I see only a very little chance for this prototype theory to become OF-approved 😒
 
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Thanks for the info. However, going back to my previous point, if it was indeed a service dial, why are there no other living examples of my dial in existence? At least with the 321 variations, there are multiple examples of each form of service dial.
Actually no, there are many uncategorized 321 service dials out there. One popped up just 2 days ago. No aml, with the earlier Speedmaster font. Which is somewhat odd as the earlier font is associated with AML dials pre dating the switch to printed printed logos. Basically aml dials already had received the drop r, this had the previous logo type, where service dials exist with later drop r and aml.
 
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The only service dial I'm aware of for the Grail is the missing-10 luminova version. For the 321 models, how does one discern between a service dial and an authentic dial with a normal degree of variation?

Actually no, there are many uncategorized 321 service dials out there. One popped up just 2 days ago. No aml, with the earlier Speedmaster font. Which is somewhat odd as the earlier font is associated with AML dials pre dating the switch to printed printed logos. Basically aml dials already had received the drop r, this had the previous logo type, where service dials exist with later drop r and aml.
 
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The only service dial I'm aware of for the Grail is the missing-10 luminova version.

Examples of service dials not missing the 10 have been posted in this thread...
 
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there is no missing 10 luminova dial. there's the mark v vintage dials (which are missing the 10 and also have the "open ended box" at 3 o'clock for the day/date), and the modern luminova dials which are exactly like the originals, but with no concentric circles on the subdials.
 
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Those are all luminova, not tritium...

Examples of service dials not missing the 10 have been posted in this thread...
 
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You aren't helping yourself here mate...

The only service dial I'm aware of for the Grail is the missing-10 luminova version.

Those are all luminova, not tritium...