Rare Omega Speedmaster Holy Grail 376.0822 Jet Black Non-Wedge Prototype Dial?

TsoloT

Well Simon has spoken ...it’s a redial reprint ...they hand print these by having a plate made up and ink through
It’s too lemon on the lume and too faint on the print and too fuzzy in parts and to many places where the print merges and then the house style wedge 2 has been ignored

When they made a prototype they were very careful to ensure quality so that production had a great sample to go off

OmegaRolex

Well, that must be it, then! Case closed, lol!

OmegaRolex

@TsoloT No proof, all talk, blah blah blah. Are you even a Grail owner, or perhaps merely an over-eager aspirant?

tyrantlizardrex

As someone who does not own a 376.0822 (it's not a grail, it's a watch), but had a passing interest in them, I'd like to congratulate you on removing that interest.

This thread is like watching people who own Rovers from the 1990s argue over who has the best corduroy seats and fake walnut trim.

How has this run to 11 pages?

tyrantlizardrex

As someone who does not own a 376.0822 (it's not a grail, it's a watch), but had a passing interest in them, I'd like to congratulate you on removing that interest.

This thread is like watching people who own Rovers from the 1990s argue over who has the best corduroy seats and fake walnut trim.

How has this run to 11 pages?

OmegaRolex

@tyrantlizardrex If you indeed have no interest as you claim, why do you continue to post and comment? Why do you continue to engage in a topic of no interest to you?

Cad290

It's like watching a car crash

tyrantlizardrex

Because this:



And because when you eventually try to sell this watch as having a prototype dial, I want to join the long line of people calling BS and saving some poor schmuck from being taken advantage of.

OmegaRolex

@TsoloT No proof, all talk, blah blah blah. Are you even a Grail owner, or perhaps merely an over-eager aspirant?

There are a few items you have repeatedly failed to address:
1) You only mention the lume quality of the dial in my OP. However, you never address the pebble finish. If this was indeed a "redial," surely, the finish would match other typical Grail dials. To date, I have NEVER seen another Grail dial with this type of finish. Check out my numerous photos to get a sense. The color is much blacker and the texture is a pebble finish -- not matte. As mentioned earlier in this thread, I own 3 other original Grail dials with the matte coloration. This one is much different, unique, and striking, which is why I have chosen to have it mounted in my Grail while my other 3 Grail dials sit in my safe.
2) The "lemon" color of the lume plots is caused by patina, and is NOT the original lume color. Regardless of the true origin of the dial, it shows significant age. Are you saying this forgery was created 30 years ago?
3) Dial is tritium. How do you explain this?
4) Dial is NOT missing the 10 like the other known existing service replacement dials.
5) Lume and printing is completely uniform throughout the dial. This was not a haphazard touch-up job done by hand.
6) If indeed plate printing was used, why do no other living dial examples exist? Are you saying that whoever did this used the plate a single time, and discarded it? This would be quite an expensive one-time forgery for a hugely-unpopular watch that released 30 years ago!
7) Your comment about Grail dials in poor condition fetching high prices is bogus.

The plot thickens!

OmegaRolex

I own 3 other original factory dials... if anything, I would sell a factory dial mounted into the watch and keep the REDIAL for myself...

TsoloT

Sorry about your dial but I will not be participating further suggest you check the price of the two damaged dials currently for sale in Germany to get a sense of how far off the mark you are

TsoloT

Sorry about your dial but I will not be participating further

TsoloT

Just one final point in preparing the treatise I reviewed over 64 ...[376.0822 ] Watches both in image and in actuality and that might just help you rationally understand my rejection of your assertions

OmegaRolex

@TsoloT No proof, all talk, blah blah blah. Are you even a Grail owner, or perhaps merely an over-eager aspirant?

There are a few items you have repeatedly failed to address:
1) You only mention the lume quality of the dial in my OP. However, you never address the pebble finish. If this was indeed a "redial," surely, the finish would match other typical Grail dials. To date, I have NEVER seen another Grail dial with this type of finish. Check out my numerous photos to get a sense. The color is much blacker and the texture is a pebble finish -- not matte. As mentioned earlier in this thread, I own 3 other original Grail dials with the matte coloration. This one is much different, unique, and striking, which is why I have chosen to have it mounted in my Grail while my other 3 Grail dials sit in my safe.
2) The "lemon" color of the lume plots is caused by patina, and is NOT the original lume color. Regardless of the true origin of the dial, it shows significant age. Are you saying this forgery was created 30 years ago?
3) Dial is tritium. How do you explain this?
4) Dial is NOT missing the 10 like the other known existing service replacement dials.
5) Lume and printing is completely uniform throughout the dial. This was not a haphazard touch-up job done by hand.
6) If indeed plate printing was used, why do no other living dial examples exist? Are you saying that whoever did this used the plate a single time, and discarded it? This would be quite an expensive one-time forgery for a hugely-unpopular watch that released 30 years ago!
7) Your comment about Grail dials in poor condition fetching high prices is bogus.

The plot thickens!

efauser

Let me get this straight: Omega, Simon Freese and every other person on the planet is an idiot and you're the only one who is correct? I don't think I'd take those odds if you were Stephen Hawking discussing theoretical physics.

OmegaRolex

I don't see Omega and Simon Freese participating in this thread -- do you? All is I see is a bunch of "he said she said."

OmegaRolex

I don't see Omega and Simon Freese participating in this thread -- do you? All is I see is a bunch of "he said she said."

OmegaRolex

@TsoloT
1) You only mention the lume quality of the dial in my OP. However, you never address the pebble finish. If this was indeed a "redial," surely, the finish would match other typical Grail dials. To date, I have NEVER seen another Grail dial with this type of finish. Check out my numerous photos to get a sense. The color is much blacker and the texture is a pebble finish -- not matte. As mentioned earlier in this thread, I own 3 other original Grail dials with the matte coloration. This one is much different, unique, and striking, which is why I have chosen to have it mounted in my Grail while my other 3 Grail dials sit in my safe.

2) The "lemon" color of the lume plots is caused by patina, and is NOT the original lume color. Regardless of the true origin of the dial, it shows significant age. Are you saying this forgery was created 30 years ago?
3) Dial is tritium. How do you explain this?