Quizz : can you identify this 30mm caliber?

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Hi everybody,

Just for fun, no prize for the winner : can someone identify the non standard elements of this Omega 30mm caliber (the easy part) and identify it (probably less easy) ?

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Not sure why there are two bridges with matching serial numbers:

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Not sure why there are two bridges with matching serial numbers:

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cal. 262?

gatorcpa
That's the second non-standard feature, you're right. Having the serial number under the balance wheel [edited : not the bridge...] was used for certain specific early calibers. Omega did that again when producing this caliber, but they kept also the one on the barrel bridge.
The ref was still a caliber 30mm, not a 26X, despite the late production number. But which one?
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This is a cal 30 DP (double platine) which was used for accuracy competitions at the observatories.
A lot of differences to the regular cal 30, a Guillaume balance and an additional platine to enable a much higher/larger barrel are the most important among them.
Its a 30mm chronometre movement but looks plain, without further decoration or special finishing as known from the cal. 30 T2 Rg

What is weird on this movement: It says 17J but it has a simple bushing for the centre wheel instead of a ruby...
Obviously put together with parts from different movements, this was not uncommon with these "race horses" at that time. Not aesthetics counted but only accuracy, accuracy, accuracy...
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This is a cal 30 DP (double platine) which was used for accuracy competitions at the observatories.
A lot of differences to the regular cal 30, a Guillaume balance and an additional platine to enable a much higher/larger barrel are the most important among them.
Its a 30mm chronometre movement but looks plain, without further decoration or special finishing as known from the cal. 30 T2 Rg

What is weird on this movement: It says 17J but it has a simple bushing for the centre wheel instead of a ruby...
Obviously put together with parts from different movements, this was not uncommon with these "race horses" at that time. Not aesthetics counted but only accuracy, accuracy, accuracy...

Easy to spot for a specialist like you.

I have recently joined the club :
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As you said, a race horse with everything for performance and nothing for aesthetics. According to the auction house, this one was regulated by André Brielmann and competed successfully 9 times (Neuchatel 1962, 64, 65, 66 and 67, Geneva 1962, 64, 65 and 1966). The spring click is also a hand made special feature, apparently unique on a 30DP.
 
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According to what I have seen, Omega used to engrave the caliber serial number of its early chronometers under the balance wheel. It also seems that the first 30DP produced didn't have this, but Omega resumed this practice for later ones. As those also had the serial on the barrel wheel, they were double-engraved.
This is pure speculation based on what I have noticed, if I'm wrong, I will be pleased to be corrected. As Erich said, there were probably no strict rules for those specially prepared movements.
 
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According to what I have seen, Omega used to engrave the caliber serial number of its early chronometers under the balance wheel. It also seems that the first 30DP produced didn't have this, but Omega resumed this practice for later ones. As those also had the serial on the barrel wheel, they were double-engraved.
This is pure speculation based on what I have noticed, if I'm wrong, I will be pleased to be corrected. As Erich said, there were probably no strict rules for those specially prepared movements.
I have seen the serial number on an 30t2 balance arm that was not chronometer.
 
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In my experience, 30mm had their serial engraved on the barrel bridge (balance side for the small second version, and opposite side for the SC). If it is not too annoying to you, I would be interested in a picture of a non DP with serial under the balance or on the balance cock.
 
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In my experience, 30mm had their serial engraved on the barrel bridge (balance side for the small second version, and opposite side for the SC). If it is not too annoying to you, I would be interested in a picture of a non DP with serial under the balance or on the balance cock.
I will check tomorrow. Maybe there has been a misunderstanding. I meant, that it was scratched by hand on the arm of the balance wheel. Not engraved ond the base plate.
 
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No. But i will take one if it is something extraordinary. I thought it was very common.
Serials are always factory made, so a hand engraving is certainly not a serial number - it's a one off - and often suggests some kind of interfered with movement - so why would this be common? I think a photo would still be useful just because it might help sort this miscommunication. 😀
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Maybe there was some miscommunication...

To end the speculation and confusion about hand scratched numbers on the lower side of balance arms:

These numbers are 3-digit and are the last 3 digits of the movement serial number.

This was to match the right balance to the movement in which it was regulated. The particular balance might have performed worse on a different movement - hence they were numbered.
 
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Maybe there was some miscommunication...

To end the speculation and confusion about hand scratched numbers on the lower side of balance arms:

These numbers are 3-digit and are the last 3 digits of the movement serial number.

This was to match the right balance to the movement in which it was regulated. The particular balance might have performed worse on a different movement - hence they were numbered.
Thats what i meant. Wasn't there a photo of it in your book? If it is common, which i think it is, i will not take off the balance just for the photo. I hope you people understand.

I am sorry for any sort of miscommunication on my part.
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Maybe there was some miscommunication...

To end the speculation and confusion about hand scratched numbers on the lower side of balance arms:

These numbers are 3-digit and are the last 3 digits of the movement serial number.

This was to match the right balance to the movement in which it was regulated. The particular balance might have performed worse on a different movement - hence they were numbered.

I have never seen this before... is it possible to see without removing the balance, or do you mean the underside? Is it always present on 30mm movements? Very interesting indeed... 😀
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I have never seen this before... is it possible to see without removing the balance, or do you mean the underside? Is it always present on 30mm movements? Very interesting indeed... 😀
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You have to remove the balance - or look it up in my book...😉
 
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Maybe there was some miscommunication...

To end the speculation and confusion about hand scratched numbers on the lower side of balance arms:

These numbers are 3-digit and are the last 3 digits of the movement serial number.

This was to match the right balance to the movement in which it was regulated. The particular balance might have performed worse on a different movement - hence they were numbered.

I agree I created some miscomunication here.
Let me try to be more precise in what I meant.

I wasn't referring to the hand-written (scratched) duplication of the last three digits of the srial that can be found on the lower side of the arm of the balance, which is documented on page 508 of Erich's book.
I was referring to the duplication of the full serial number on both the barrel bridge and the mainplate, as spotted by Gatorcpa above. This duplication is also mentionned in Erich's book, p. 470.

My first observation was that the engraving of the caliber serial number on the plate, visible under the balance wheel. Here is an example on one chro,o caliber I have :
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I seems that this practice was reinstated by Omega on its observatory 30mm chronometers calibers. I initially thought that this duplication wasn't on all observatory 30mm but I correct my statement, when not under the balance, it is at a different place and can be seen on the mainplate between the barrel bridge and the balance cock (See for example in Erich's book caliber 9378514, p. 471).

Cal 10829XXX (p.475 in Erich's book) has it on the mainplate under the balance.
Another example on pictures taken from the net :
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I should have read Erich's book more carefully... 📖📖📖