Quick service question..

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One of the best independant watchmakers around Toronto apprenticed in his father's shop where he learned his craft and then went on to work at Omega's repair centre for several years. There is nothing wrong about learning from your father.
 
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maybe a normal watchmaker is good for a budget service, but you get what you pay for and the authorised service centres do charge a lot more for their fancy little pouches and warranty cards etc, but with that you get a perfectly operational vintage back, there must be exceptions obviously and they have their limits but i'm yet to find any[...]
Well, there definitely are exceptions.

My new IWC 3716 Portugieser chrono has been to the IWC North American service center in Texas twice, and twice they failed to fix the issue (with the chronograph blocking the movement). The second time they at least found the right screw to adjust, and made the problem five times worse. The watch is now off to the original AD for a replacement.

So, based on my own experience I would not put too much hope in flawless work by the manufacturer's official service center. Given a choice between a competent trained local watchmaker with parts account, and the service center, I would pick the local trained watchmaker. Unfortunately with warranty service I don't think you have a choice.
 
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I think we all have separate experiences with different service centres and independent watchmakers, and trying to amalgamate them into a one size fits all policy isn't going to work,
about the guy i used who was trained by his father, i didn't mean that to come across as casting an aspersion on his work or character, the opposite really, his father was trained by a manufacturer ( i don't know which one) and opened his own jewellery / watchmaking and repairs shop which he worked in from his teenage years onwards then took over the shop, so has a long history with the trade, i've had 6 watches serviced with him and four came back great but two (and i've heard this can be a problem with the calibre so maybe not his fault entirely) were the 565 calibre with screw down crowns and never felt quite right, he had them both back a few times but each time i got them back there would be some issue which would surface again after a few weeks so i'd take them back, then since the Covid restrictions caused him to temporarily close the service warranty ran out on them so i thought it prudent to send them to a service centre and they came back in six weeks spot on perfect, i certainly didn't mean to trumpet for the centres and tramp on the independents generally, and especially not this independent guy, he's done lots of little jobs that he doesn't charge for which i'm very lucky to have him so i'll always be a returning customer, the service centre (during normal times) offers a quicker turn around service if you take the watch there yourself and a tour of their facility, you can discuss exactly what you'd like done, or left alone, during the service when you drop it off, (cosmetic vs operational and things where the two might overlap etc)
I don't know what happened that caused the service centre to correct the problem with both watches, they both came back with new crowns so they've lost their original crowns ( well they're in a bag now) but they both work as they should with no issues, maybe there are independent watchmakers out there who could have repaired the crowns to retain the original factory fitted ones
 
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The frequency a watch has been worn/ used presumably would impact the frequency of service? Without the mechanism being used the only issue I can see is that oil will dry up over time. I presume there’s no uniformity behind how frequently watch would need to be oiled when not in use?
 
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One of the best independant watchmakers around Toronto apprenticed in his father's shop where he learned his craft and then went on to work at Omega's repair centre for several years. There is nothing wrong about learning from your father.
Which watchmaker do you speak of? I ask because I'm looking to service my birth year Speedy!
 
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The frequency a watch has been worn/ used presumably would impact the frequency of service? Without the mechanism being used the only issue I can see is that oil will dry up over time. I presume there’s no uniformity behind how frequently watch would need to be oiled when not in use?


Maybe one of the qualified time-served ladies and gents here could be more specific or correct me but i think that because the main moving parts have jewels at their fulcrum to reduce the wear, they tend to last a long time, i had one serviced that was from 1971 which i don't believe had ever been serviced, all i got back in the spare parts bag they usually include when they return it to you after was a crown, a couple of screws, the large case seal and a small O ring that looked like it might have been from the crown stem ( massive speculation i don't know for sure) and a couple of tube type things that looked as if they were also to do with the crown
so i suppose if you bought one brand new and left it unworn in a box then it would only need ultra sonic cleaning and lubricating, and the seals replaced,
but what a waste is all i can think of, talk about bird in a gilded cage, unless it's either the actual watch worn by Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin (or the other one who had to stay in the lunar module) Jaques Cousteau, Douglas Bader (worn during his bouncing bomb testing) or any watch with similar amounts of provenance by the bucket load, or a very old sentimental family piece, then they need wearing and enjoying
I was going to start a thread asking what, if any, are the drawbacks of owning a lot of watches
 
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The frequency a watch has been worn/ used presumably would impact the frequency of service? Without the mechanism being used the only issue I can see is that oil will dry up over time. I presume there’s no uniformity behind how frequently watch would need to be oiled when not in use?

The amount of use is certainly a factor - Omega clearly states this in their service recommendations:



As they say, it depends on the conditions in which it was worn, and that would include how much it is worn. Wearing the watch less can extend the service intervals, but it's not a 1 to 1 relationship. So if for example a service is needed after 5 years of constant wear, wearing it 1/3 of the time won't mean it can go 15 years.

The reason is that modern oils will dry up over time. How long they last depends on the specifics of each oil, the amount that is applied, etc. When they do dry up, it looks like this:



The older natural oils that used to be used in watches failed in a particular way - they became more viscous as time went by, and the result of that is that the oil gummed up the watch and would cause more severe performance issues. So within say 3 years or so, you would see the power reserve drop, timekeeping would suffer, etc. and eventually it would just stop. This prevented a ton of wear from happening.

Modern oils don't fail this way - they dry up like you see above, and they don't gum the watch up. The watch continues to run, but is running dry basically. I've had watches come in that based on just how they run on the wrist, you would think they were just serviced, but were completely dry inside.

If you have a watch you care about preserving the parts inside, then I personally wouldn't stretch the service interval past maybe 8 years or so.

Cheers, Al
 
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The amount of use is certainly a factor - Omega clearly states this in their service recommendations:



As they say, it depends on the conditions in which it was worn, and that would include how much it is worn. Wearing the watch less can extend the service intervals, but it's not a 1 to 1 relationship. So if for example a service is needed after 5 years of constant wear, wearing it 1/3 of the time won't mean it can go 15 years.

The reason is that modern oils will dry up over time. How long they last depends on the specifics of each oil, the amount that is applied, etc. When they do dry up, it looks like this:



The older natural oils that used to be used in watches failed in a particular way - they became more viscous as time went by, and the result of that is that the oil gummed up the watch and would cause more severe performance issues. So within say 3 years or so, you would see the power reserve drop, timekeeping would suffer, etc. and eventually it would just stop. This prevented a ton of wear from happening.

Modern oils don't fail this way - they dry up like you see above, and they don't gum the watch up. The watch continues to run, but is running dry basically. I've had watches come in that based on just how they run on the wrist, you would think they were just serviced, but were completely dry inside.

If you have a watch you care about preserving the parts inside, then I personally wouldn't stretch the service interval past maybe 8 years or so.

Cheers, Al



Sound advice, thanks
I bought an Omega with a serial number dated from about 2002, which runs fine and doesn't lose more than about 5 seconds a day, so i assumed it wouldn't need a service yet, do you think i should get it serviced given it's age?
i almost don't want to wear it now imagining all those dry surfaces scraping against each other producing nano-swarf
 
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Sound advice, thanks
I bought an Omega with a serial number dated from about 2002, which runs fine and doesn't lose more than about 5 seconds a day, so i assumed it wouldn't need a service yet, do you think i should get it serviced given it's age?
i almost don't want to wear it now imagining all those dry surfaces scraping against each other producing nano-swarf

Timekeeping just isn't a reliable indicator of the need for service...

It's your watch, so only you can decide what is right for you.
 
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If you have a watch you care about preserving the parts inside, then I personally wouldn't stretch the service interval past maybe 8 years or so.

But, but Rolex suggest 10 years! 😜
 
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But, but Rolex suggest 10 years! 😜

Magical superlative oils...not...
 
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I have a 2008 2254.50 that I have had since new and has just had its 2nd service. It has alway ran fine but I plan to keep it, so I serviced it at 6 years and then 7 years after that. It had minimal parts replaced, so I am guessing that the pivots were ok. With that said, I won't go past 7 on the watches that are used regularly and the finicky ones like El Primeros won't go past 5.
 
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Officially, Rolex say 10 years, by then you may have a higher bill. I asked a watchmaker at the Rolex Service Centre in London. He recommended to get a free service estimate after 7 years from them. I agree with Archer on the service intervals. I personally think they are no magical short cuts. I do not subscribe to Rolex having + 2 or -2 all of a sudden either. Fun fact Rolex did not state +2 or -2 was only subject to new movements, changing the tag from red to green is no magic formula. I have a Sub and an OP39 that live in the bank safe. The sub has never been worn, the OP39 rhodium was worn for a few months. I finally admitted to myself i need to wear what I like. I went back to a vintage Omega of which has been gifted to my sister on her birthday, as she kept admiring it. I now purchased an Omega silver dial DeVille that is worn at lest 5 days in the week. My casual watches for beach, gardening, gym are my Citizen Ray Mears and G shock Rangeman. I now have the confidence to wear and enjoy what makes me happy. Quite liberating. If one day I find the money I would love a white gold Calitrava.
 
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I have a Sub and an OP39 that live in the bank safe. The sub has never been worn, the OP39 rhodium was worn for a few months. I finally admitted to myself i need to wear what I like.
Never could understand not wearing a modern watch and keeping them locked up. But it's your property.
 
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My Rolex Date-Just is 31 years old. I have serviced it 4 times over those years. At its best, it lost about 15 seconds in a month. It has been 5 years since I last serviced it. It presently is losing about 10 seconds in a week. Under these circumstances, a lot of people feel that all the watch might require is that the watch be regulated. Wrong! My Rolex is now due for a service, so I will not wear it again, until I service it again. In the years I have owned it, this watch always returns to its high standard of performance after a service, without my having to adjust the regulation. Let the watch tell you when servicing is due. By the way, I collect watches. I change watches like I change socks. This Rolex may possibly have about 10 years of actual service on the wrist, in the years I have owned it. So I suggest you don’t run off with the notion that the watch shouldn’t require service, because it is not worn much. I feel the sensible service interval doesn’t change, regardless of the amount the watch is worn!
 
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Never could understand not wearing a modern watch and keeping them locked up. But it's your property.
I agree with you. At some point will sell them. I have not exactly lost anything, probably made a few quid. I have never been into sports not even when I was in my 20’s. I made the mistake of watching too many youtube videos and gave in to peer pressure, only to regret it. Speedmaster or Daytona without ceramic bezels is as much sports I can tolerate. I only wear my shock or citizen ray mears style of watches for functional reasons. For example gym, gardening or doing out doors stuff.
 
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Indeed, I often tell people that with a modern watch, waiting until there's a problem may be the best way to go financially.

However there is one caveat - water resistance. Omega will replace worn parts as part of the service, but if the watch gets wet inside, and parts rust, dial degrade, etc., that no longer a regular service, and the owner will pay MUCH more for all that. So there is some risk, but how much depends on how the watch is worn.
So to avoid this danger, the watch could by periodically tested for water resistance. Is this something that should be done by Omega? And what would be the recommended frequency for a watch that never is intentionally under water? In my case, an Aquaterra. I know Omega says annually. But that's an overkill, no?
 
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So to avoid this danger, the watch could by periodically tested for water resistance. Is this something that should be done by Omega? And what would be the recommended frequency for a watch that never is intentionally under water? In my case, an Aquaterra. I know Omega says annually. But that's an overkill, no?

The question about testing for water resistance is probably a bit more nuanced than you realize, since there are different levels of testing.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/pressure-testing-a-watchco-sm300.45375/

For example, it would probably be relatively easy to find someone to run a dry test annually on your watch, which would give you some confidence that it has a basic level of water resistance and I don't think it's terribly risky.