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  1. Shelby Aug 22, 2016

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    Dear Forum Members:
    Attached please find some photographs of an old Seamaster which a volunteer at work inherited from a relative.
    He was wondering if this knowledgeable group could shed some light on it. Also, to render an opinion if it is worthwhile to restore to operating condition. I took the case back off, the rotor moves with some resistance. The crystal has a big hole in it, and is awfully scratched distorting the appearance of the dial, and the crown is missing. The caseback denotes 14k.
    Note: We really got a kick out of the previous watchmakers markings on the inner case back. Sept 75,
    ?03/14/58,

    Apologies for the photos.

    Thanks in advance
     
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  2. Kja Aug 22, 2016

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    It seems the movement is from around '58 but the case and dial looks to be from the early 50's.. Kinda strange, that watchmaker might have switched out the movement, but I'll let the more knowledgable members post about that. But it is a very desirable watch despite the dial condition and very much worth getting some attention from a good watchmaker.
     
  3. Dr No Aug 22, 2016

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    Jackpot. I believe that to be an original - and highly desirable - example.

    Finding a watchmaker who can handle the restoration sympathetically is crucial. Sourcing a correct crown will be the hard part. Some movement parts are also getting hard to find; best not to put off the restoration for too long.

    Cordially,

    Art
     
  4. Kja Aug 22, 2016

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    Art, shouldn't the omega be applied instead of printed on a '58?
     
  5. MikiJ Likes songs about Purple spices Aug 22, 2016

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    Are you sure it's not an applied logo? I believe it is and it's the poor condition of the crystal and dial that make it look painted.
    Then again, I just might be these "old eyes" :(
     
  6. Northernman Lemaniac Aug 22, 2016

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    It looks applied. Like it should to these old eyes!
     
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  7. efauser I ♥ karma!!! Aug 22, 2016

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    I'm not going to equivocate: It's applied.
     
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  8. Kja Aug 22, 2016

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    I mean the word omega, not the sign. On the early 50's constellations they were written like this before they went to applied on the later bumpers and 501 mvmt.
     
  9. Kja Aug 22, 2016

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    It is definetly printed not applied.
     
  10. Northernman Lemaniac Aug 22, 2016

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    The Logo is applied. The text is printed. I guess we agree.
    As to the case ref I am in doubts.... It does not come up (and the 505 only briefly) in my list of Seamaster Chronometers.
    ::confused2::::popcorn::
     
  11. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Aug 22, 2016

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    Turned one of the original photos on its side for a better look. No question, the "Ω" logo is gold and applied. The rest is printed.

    A lot a weird things came out of Norman Morris, Inc. (the US Omega importer) in the late 1950's. This is one of them. US made 14K gold case by Jonell, proper chronometer certification language and what looks to be a nice cal. 505 movement, similar to contemporary Constellation models.

    This is a candidate for a sympathetic restoration. New crystal, crown and stem should still be available. Get the movement serviced and the case very gently polished (if at all). Leave the dial and hands alone.

    It will look beautiful when done.
    gatorcpa
     
  12. Kja Aug 22, 2016

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    If you read my post I never said anything about the omega logo, I was trying to be clear I meant the omega text, which was always applied from mid to late 50's.
     
  13. MikiJ Likes songs about Purple spices Aug 22, 2016

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    Fair enough.
     
  14. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Aug 22, 2016

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    One thing I learned early on about vintage Omega is to never say "always" or "never". Every rule seems to have an exception.

    Norman Morris was famous for buying Omega's obsolete inventory of dials and movements and making US only models out of them. The 2nd Generation Globemaster is a good example. Older cal. 501 movements that had stopped being produced in 1958 continued to be sold here into the 1960's.

    I think this is a similar concept, just a step up on the totem pole with a solid gold case and chronometer rated movement. It probably sold for a lot less than an 18K Constellation.

    Hope this helps,
    gatorcpa
     
  15. Kja Aug 22, 2016

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    Hmmm ok did not know that, pretty cool history there.
     
  16. Dr No Aug 22, 2016

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    Sorry, I logged out after posting, and just logged back in now. My sense is that it's a late '57 or '58 SM cased in the US. I've seen two others just like this one, similar dials with printed 'OMEGA', in gold-capped and stainless steel. This is likely the first solid gold cal 505 SM I've run across.

    Dare I say 'dibs'?

    :)
     
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  17. Shelby Aug 23, 2016

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    Dear All:
    Thank you so much for your invaluable insight. I do not know what William will ultimately do with the watch, but with your "do no harm" recommendations I'm sure that will help him make a decision.
     
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  18. Shelby Jun 5, 2017

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    Hello everyone:
    Picking up where we left off, shortly after the original post I acquired the watch from my buddy as he knew I would bring it back to life.
    After 5 months away at the shop, I'm happy to report it's back home, and functioning like it should.
    Again thank you all for sharing your knowledge so unselfishly.
    I attach a few photos for your viewing pleasure.
     
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  19. Dr No Jun 5, 2017

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    Thanks for following thru with 'after' photos! Nicely done, and congrats on scoring a desirable SM.

    Art
     
  20. fzhu052 Jun 5, 2017

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    Wow, almost like two different watches.