Purchasing 145.022-69 help

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Hi all,

I’m considering buying a Speedmaster ref. 145.022-69 and would appreciate help judging whether it’s worth it. It would be my first Speedmaster, and I plan to wear it in rotation with my Seamaster as a daily.

1. The purchase

  • Is this reference a good buy?
  • What should I check or watch out for before buying?

2. Servicing

  • If the watch needs servicing for water resistance, is it worth doing?
  • If I go through the official Swatch Group (Omega) service, what would it likely cost?

Thanks in advance!

 
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1. Depends on price
2. Check inside movement and inside Caseback
3. Yes worth servicing if you’re planning regular wear
4. No not Omega service too pricey. Find independent watchmaker with Omega parts account who services Speedmasters, cost around 800-1000 US

Looks nice from outside, maybe -74 or -76 inside Caseback will tell.
Good luck
 
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1. Depends on price
2. Check inside movement and inside Caseback
3. Yes worth servicing if you’re planning regular wear
4. No not Omega service too pricey. Find independent watchmaker with Omega parts account who services Speedmasters, cost around 800-1000 US

Looks nice from outside, maybe -74 or -76 inside Caseback will tell.
Good luck
Thanks for the info!

Just found out:
1. Its around USD 5127
2.I forgot to add the last two photos. It looks to me like a ST69?

 
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Check the serial - that dial looks like it might have some brown hint, and so check the srial isnt earlier than the DO90 cutoff. The bracelet is not one that adds a lot of value, so compare this to other'69's without a 1039 bracelet.

Is that corrosion on underside, or just dirt - check it is just dirt.

Get the full serial - dont know why they are always such a big secret.

Also where in the world are you, and it. If it has to cross borders to get to you thats an added problem. I say that because of the way you stated price "about 5127" which makes me think you are separated by a border.

Pushers are filthy. By all means service it, but it may not need a full service. Movement looks clean.

I think it might be a good watch, not bad for an everyday - I think that dial might be a sleeper.
 
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At first I thought it was not a step dial but now on relook I think I see step in some areas. I would also ask for focused natural light closeup views of dial these photos are overexposed, sometimes done to mask flaws.
 
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Check the serial - that dial looks like it might have some brown hint, and so check the srial isnt earlier than the DO90 cutoff. The bracelet is not one that adds a lot of value, so compare this to other'69's without a 1039 bracelet.

Is that corrosion on underside, or just dirt - check it is just dirt.

Get the full serial - dont know why they are always such a big secret.

Also where in the world are you, and it. If it has to cross borders to get to you thats an added problem. I say that because of the way you stated price "about 5127" which makes me think you are separated by a border.

Pushers are filthy. By all means service it, but it may not need a full service. Movement looks clean.

I think it might be a good watch, not bad for an everyday - I think that dial might be a sleeper.
They could not provide the full serial number unfortunately. They did tell me the first four numbers: 3132

They told me its just stains.

Im from sunny Singapore, the listing is from Japan.

Noted on the advice on servicing. Thanks!
 
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At first I thought it was not a step dial but now on relook I think I see step in some areas. I would also ask for focused natural light closeup views of dial these photos are overexposed, sometimes done to mask flaws.
Ive asked them for another photo as attached. Let me know what you think.

Thanks!

 
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Ive asked them for another photo as attached. Let me know what you think.

Thanks!

Attractive watch except for the missing lume in the minute hand, and a common model. I also see the 12 hour counter hand is not reseting, or slipping/creeping so the movement definitely needs a service. Movement nr 3132xxx fits the range of production years 1969 - 1971 ( -69 is model reference but production can be later ) and looks like it has the correct B2-DNN bezel. 1116 bracelet is not my favorite ( very loose when worn down ) so for a price under € 4000 i think it is a good watch, but compare some more as there are plenty of these for sale here or on Chrono24.
 
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I'm not sure if I'm seeing some dark spots near the lume plots. Could it be due to poorly done lume stabilization?


on this perspective less vivid
 
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I know who sells this watch. If you decide to buy it, I recommend purchasing it directly through the retailer’s website, as that’s where you’ll find the best price. Their Black Friday sale starts on November 14th, and I can send you a discount code that will give you an additional 5% off.
 
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I can see step dial on the new photo. Dial lume looks good
The watch looks correct all around. I have one with the 1116/575 bracelet which I like. And this one looks in good shape.
Good luck
 
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I can see step dial on the new photo. Dial lume looks good
The watch looks correct all around. I have one with the 1116/575 bracelet which I like. And this one looks in good shape.
Good luck
Thanks!
 
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I'm not sure if I'm seeing some dark spots near the lume plots. Could it be due to poorly done lume stabilization?


on this perspective less vivid
The seller did say there were some stains on the dial...
 
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I know who sells this watch. If you decide to buy it, I recommend purchasing it directly through the retailer’s website, as that’s where you’ll find the best price. Their Black Friday sale starts on November 14th, and I can send you a discount code that will give you an additional 5% off.
Have you bought from them before?
How was the experience?
 
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Have you bought from them before?
How was the experience?
I haven't bought a watch from this dealer before. However, I'm currently looking for a watch myself and have been doing quite a bit of research on the usual platforms. The special marking on the case back reminded me of where I had seen this particular watch before.

The dealer lists the watch on several different platforms, and I noticed that it is cheapest on their own website. I also came across a notice on their website about their Black Friday sale and thought it would be nice to share this information with you, in case you're seriously considering buying the watch.
 
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I haven't bought a watch from this dealer before. However, I'm currently looking for a watch myself and have been doing quite a bit of research on the usual platforms. The special marking on the case back reminded me of where I had seen this particular watch before.

The dealer lists the watch on several different platforms, and I noticed that it is cheapest on their own website. I also came across a notice on their website about their Black Friday sale and thought it would be nice to share this information with you, in case you're seriously considering buying the watch.
Thanks for the kind gesture!

However, ive begun to doubt the watch purchase since i recently found that there were stains on the dial...

I may continue to search for another listing.

Good luck with your search!
 
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I bought a 145.022 69ST, my first Omega, in 2012 or so.

Lume condition, DON bezel, hand and dial originality, step dial, full length 1039 bracelet, no Moon inscription, original pushers and crown were critical elements. It took a year, but I ended up getting mine on eBay for about $3000. Had it serviced by an Omega authorized independent (NOT Omega direct) and it ran great, looked really good. Crown gasket had liquefied and smeared all over the movement and made a mess. I replaced the crown, not pushers, and it couldn't pass water resistance testing. It may not have anyway because the case back had some corrosion around the gasket area. I never wore it because I was afraid of damaging it.


I sold it last year and bought a new 3861 Moonwatch a month later with what I got for it that I love and wear often.


My advice, don't skimp, don't settle. Unless you're committed to tracking down original parts if you buy something that's not quite right, buy the one that ticks all of the right boxes. You're paying either way, though. Don't send it to Omega unless you want a 3570.50 look. Decide if you want a waterproof watch or an original watch. Without a significant amount of work and money, assume that the original pushers and crown cannot be reused and will not have serviceable or passable gaskets. People who can or will attempt servicing the pushers and crown, let alone considering if it's even possible, are exceedingly rare, if they exist at all. Then ask yourself if you will wear a rare, expensive vintage watch day to day that may not be waterproof. My fear wasn't diving or falling into a pool, etc. It was a freak rainstorm, inattentively washing my hands. I didn't want to take off my watch every time I might come in contact with water.
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I bought a 145.022 69ST, my first Omega, in 2012 or so.

Lume condition, DON bezel, hand and dial originality, step dial, full length 1039 bracelet, no Moon inscription, original pushers and crown were critical elements. It took a year, but I ended up getting mine on eBay for about $3000. Had it serviced by an Omega authorized independent (NOT Omega direct) and it ran great, looked really good. Crown gasket had liquefied and smeared all over the movement and made a mess. I replaced the crown, not pushers, and it couldn't pass water resistance testing. It may not have anyway because the case back had some corrosion around the gasket area. I never wore it because I was afraid of damaging it.


I sold it last year and bought a new 3861 Moonwatch a month later with what I got for it that I love and wear often.


My advice, don't skimp, don't settle. Unless you're committed to tracking down original parts if you buy something that's not quite right, buy the one that ticks all of the right boxes. You're paying either way, though. Don't send it to Omega unless you want a 3570.50 look. Decide if you want a waterproof watch or an original watch. Without a significant amount of work and money, assume that the original pushers and crown cannot be reused and will not have serviceable or passable gaskets. People who can or will attempt servicing the pushers and crown, let alone considering if it's even possible, are exceedingly rare, if they exist at all. Then ask yourself if you will wear a rare, expensive vintage watch day to day that may not be waterproof. My fear wasn't diving or falling into a pool, etc. It was a freak rainstorm, inattentively washing my hands. I didn't want to take off my watch every time I might come in contact with water.
What made you choose the 3861 over the 1861?

If im correct, the 1861 has a direct connection to the NASA testing no?
 
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What made you choose the 3861 over the 1861?

If im correct, the 1861 has a direct connection to the NASA testing no?

Step dial, DON, Hesalite, near identical proportions and aesthetics. The NASA connection is neat, but I don't really care. My only gripe with the 3861 is the Moon writing on the case back. That's why I chose the 145.022 69 ST: no writing. I have an 1861 Speedmaster, too, with no writing.