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Pre-Production 3rd Gen Planet Ocean w/ Month: Real?

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Hi guys!

I wanted to inquire about an interesting piece I found for sale - supposedly, a pre-production/prototype 3rd generation Planet Ocean… but with a month complication. The selling party is a decently regular jewellery store with good reviews, but on the other hand, I’ve never seen anything like it. Could anybody provide any information on the piece, or even if it’s possible that it truly is a pre-production model?

Cheers!

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YY77
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I would avoid purchasing this, why put yourself in a situation if you can just buy a normal/genuine PO.
 
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So not for sale piece are around and come up occasionally, the trouble is without really concrete evidence that this watch was gifted to someone and released from Omega, this is likely still the property of the company.

That creates a significant issue because you may be then purchasing stolen goods, and it may end up being confiscated when you have it serviced.
 
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If you have a watch that says "Omega Planet Ocean" and features both a month and a date, it is 100% a fake or a heavily modified counterfeit.
 
drhex
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How much do they want for this? Could be legit (but you may be negatively surprised on service as per above). @Archer, what does the serial bring up?
 
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So not for sale piece are around and come up occasionally, the trouble is without really concrete evidence that this watch was gifted to someone and released from Omega, this is likely still the property of the company.

That creates a significant issue because you may be then purchasing stolen goods, and it may end up being confiscated when you have it serviced.
Three or so years ago a pre-production Tin Tin Speedmaster was offered for sale locally to me (offered by the son of someone who worked at Omega who was managing this back in the day), it went for a lot of money in the end. If this is a real pre-production, it could be worth money, at least to someone interested. There is no real way of telling though until the time of sale. If you service it outside of the Omega universe, then no worries.
 
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Three or so years ago a pre-production Tin Tin Speedmaster was offered for sale locally to me (offered by the son of someone who worked at Omega who was managing this back in the day), it went for a lot of money in the end. If this is a real pre-production, it could be worth money, at least to someone interested. There is no real way of telling though until the time of sale. If you service it outside of the Omega universe, then no worries.
Well I wouldn’t say no worries if it’s stolen goods your buying, especially when there are now public photos of it out there making it easier to track down. If there is evidence that it was legitimately obtained that shouldn’t be hard to produce.
 
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I'd want to see better pictures of the movement, its hard to tell whether it is the real thing or not. The attention to detail of using an 8601 on a fake would be interesting, and it is a pretty high-effort one if fake.

I want to see better pictures of the movement, but I am leaning towards 'real'. Unless they are trying to get an obscene amount of money for it, the effort to make this as a fake would be really high.

On the other hand, that date window alignment is not great....
 
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Prototypes are out there (I have an automatic quartz Speedmaster e.g.). Doing something like this goes against faking, fakes try to be as close to the real thing as economically possible. Why do a month window if the thing would be much closer to the real one without it.
 
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I wouldn't touch anything like this without genuine and verifiable provenance.
 
AshUK
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The bezel and hands are from the 1st gen by the looks of it, so to align it with an 8601 doesn't sound right to me....
 
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Well I wouldn’t say no worries if it’s stolen goods your buying, especially when there are now public photos of it out there making it easier to track down. If there is evidence that it was legitimately obtained that shouldn’t be hard to produce.
Well, after 50 years (in the case of the Tin Tin), I doubt Omega will care, it was a local auction bought by someone locally for a lot of money (some collector). It was not exactly a trade secret at that point in time.

For the watch in question, the Co-Axial was launched in 1999. 27 years ago. Even if this is 3rd generation, would Omega really care about this ?

Looking at the wear on the case back and back of the lugs, it looks like it was attacked by wolves... Whereas the front looks almost pristine.
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Every 8601 movement I've seen has the month next to the date at the 3. This is weird.
 
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Every 8601 movement I've seen has the month next to the date at the 3. This is weird.
The only difference would be the month-wheel (the part with the actual printing on it), so it isn't too weird. With any display position, its just a matter of printing 'the right way' on the wheel. I could see this being a problem with a 'two language' variant (ala the Seiko day movements), as they don't rotate enough to make room, but I don't see this as problematic.

Honestly, I lean towards 'real' here still. But without paperwork to 'prove' that, I don't see additional value to this.
 
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The only difference would be the month-wheel (the part with the actual printing on it), so it isn't too weird. With any display position, its just a matter of printing 'the right way' on the wheel. I could see this being a problem with a 'two language' variant (ala the Seiko day movements), as they don't rotate enough to make room, but I don't see this as problematic.

Honestly, I lean towards 'real' here still. But without paperwork to 'prove' that, I don't see additional value to this.
Yep - all the 8601's have the date and month at 90 degrees (3 o'clock) but it would be easy to print a month indicator with a different position.
 
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Well, after 50 years (in the case of the Tin Tin), I doubt Omega will care, it was a local auction bought by someone locally for a lot of money (some collector). It was not exactly a trade secret at that point in time.

For the watch in question, the Co-Axial was launched in 1999. 27 years ago. Even if this is 3rd generation, would Omega really care about this ?

Looking at the wear on the case back and back of the lugs, it looks like it was attacked by wolves... Whereas the front looks almost pristine.
50 years? What are you talking about? The Tin Tin Speedy was released 13 years ago and the 8601 annual calendar movement in use in the above PO prototype or Franken (and yes I too think it is real but perhaps not factory) means it is also about 17 years old at most. I suspect if Omegas like these with 'Not for Sale' stamped on them were nicked rather than released from the Mothership legitimately, Omega would indeed show some interest. I wonder what if anything is stamped on the inner caseback the the PO. That may shed some light.
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50 years? What are you talking about? The Tin Tin Speedy was released 13 years ago and the 8601 annual calendar movement in use in the above PO prototype or Franken (and yes I too think it is real but perhaps not factory) means it is also about 17 years old at most. I suspect if Omegas like these with 'Not for Sale' stamped on them were nicked rather than released from the Mothership legitimately, Omega would indeed show some interest. I wonder what if anything is stamped on the inner caseback the the PO. That may shed some light.
You have no idea what you are talking about. It was a prototype from a very, very long time ago. I saw the auction, you did not.
 
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You have no idea what you are talking about. It was a prototype from a very, very long time ago. I saw the auction, you did not.
Well I certainly have no idea what you are talking about it is true. If you know of a 1970s Tin Tin Speedy prototype then by all means enlighten us.
 
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Well I certainly have no idea what you are talking about it is true. If you know of a 1970s Tin Tin Speedy prototype then by all means enlighten us.
I'm definitely curious about that too! I just spent the last half hour googling for anything resembling it, and haven't seen anything. The only TinTin prototypes were a rocket one, which @DSotW apparently found in an online auction(coincidentially enough!), but was allegedly a prototype for the 2013 release ones.
 
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