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  1. BTJD Apr 17, 2022

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    Let me know if this belongs in the vintage forum, but I'm looking for some advice on buying a pre-ceramic SMP.

    I have one luxury watch - a Rolex Datejust 41 owner, the rhodium dial version with a smooth bezel and oyster bracelet. I like it, but with the sunburst dial and polish/flash of the watch, which feels a bit too flashy and shiny/dressy for me at times especially with a lot of my business casual outfits, I've gained a desire to move back to watches with a pre-2000s/2010s aesthetic (i.e., pre-ceramic subs, Datejust 16234, and pre-ceramic Bond SMPs).

    Long story short, I'm looking to buy a Bond Omega Seamaster in the form that is substantially the same as what was worn in the Brosnan Era / Casino Royale. The two models that have popped up based on a day of looking are the 2220.80 and the 2531.80. I understand the latter is the older, "OG" mechanical version and the former is a slightly updated version that was used on Casino Royale.

    Of these two variants, is one much better than the other? I think the Casino Royale version is about $1k more than the Tomorrow Never Dies 2531.80.

    Any buying tips / alternative pre-ceramic models that are superior would be greatly appreciated. I'm considering buying from Hodinkee or another one of the large websites like C&C or WatchBox, and I've never bought a used watch so I'm a bit concerned about using Chrono24, but any advice would be appreciated.
     
  2. Donn Chambers Apr 17, 2022

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    I would get the older one simply because the movement is not co-axial and can be serviced by more independent watchmakers. For instance, my watchmaker has an Omega parts account and will service the older non-coaxial movements, but he does not want to invest in extra training/tools to do the coaxial ones.
     
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  3. avidmark Apr 17, 2022

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    I would choose the Casino Royale version. It seems like a nicer blue color.
     
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  4. mbp Apr 17, 2022

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    I agree. Better blue color overall.
     
  5. vitriol Apr 18, 2022

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    If you want some tritium - go for the early 2531.80 (all 2220.80's have Supeluminova), other than that those two are pretty similar watches which differ in;
    - hands length (longer at 2220.80),
    - different shades of blue, different dials,
    - a case back (more detailed but taller at 2220.80),
    - due to a slightly taller bezel - 2220.80 in overall is slightly taller than 2531.80
    - 1120 cal. vs 2500 cal. very late 2220.80's even have had 2500D hence a different date font.

    If you will service them at Omega - a standard service fee is the same for mechanical non-chronograph calibres.
    Everything else is subjective and only you can tell which watch is superior. I chose 2220.80 due to the longer hands and the red Seamaster which makes the dial more vivid.

    Btw, I am poor in JB franchise, but wasn't a quartz 2541.80 featured in Tomorrow Never Dies?
     
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  6. avidmark Apr 18, 2022

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    I agree. The longer handset looks much better.
     
  7. padders Oooo subtitles! Apr 18, 2022

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    If you want good lume skip the Bond 2531.80, it is poor because of the skeleton hands. Check out the 2230.50. Known as the ‘non-AC’. IMHO it is the king of Seamasters. It even wears a gold crown (well bezel)

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