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I would like to know your experience with this. Is the power reserve provided by manufacture accurate ? Is it usually less ? Or could it be more?
Are certain movements more or less accurate (power reserve not time)
 
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Whether a watch with a specified power reserve actually delivers the specified run time has a lot to do with wearing patterns. I think I am safe in saying that no manufacturer of quality watches would attribute a particular run time unless it was designed to give that run time, and was capable of delivering. But the way that a lot of people wear automatic wind watches, I think run time would tend to vary. Depending on the level of winding when the watch was removed, it may or may not deliver. Same goes with manual winders. If either an automatic or manual winder were fully wound when removed, the smart money would be on the watch running the specified time. IF in peak condition! I have an Ilinois Bunn Special 60-hour, 16-size, 21-jewel pocket watch that has run for 61 hours on a full wind. As to any particular brand that regularly under performs in run time? I can only answer that, run time has to do partly with the condition of the watch, but more particularly on the owners habits.
 
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Let's assume fully wind watch sitting motionless on the table.
 
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So far I've had results with vintage & modern models that have come pretty close to or exceed manufacturer specs. Generally +/- 2 hours.

Not a big deal for me as I rotate my watches almost daily anyway.
 
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This is basic watch knowledge 101, so bear with me while I give some details...

The theoretical power reserve of a specific movement is designed into the movement. It is based on the length of the mainspring, and the ratio between the number of turns on the mainspring barrel, and the turns of the center wheel typically. As the spring unwinds, the barrel turns (in most modern watches) and the teeth on that barrel turn the center wheel, which then drives the hands.

Manufacturers base the power reserve they advertise on this calculation, so assuming a new watch in good condition that is fully wound, it should run as long as they state. Most companies understate the power reserve, so you can often see a new or freshly serviced watch that will exceed the stated reserve.

Of course the condition of the watch can affect if the watch runs for it's full power reserve or not. In any watch, when the torque delivered from the mainspring is sufficient to overcome the friction in the movement, the watch will run. When it can no longer overcome that friction, it stops. This always happens before the spring is fully unwound, and when you add a higher load (from dirt, dried oils, running the chronograph, etc.) the point where the friction is high enough to stop the watch comes closer to the point of full wind, so the watch will stop earlier.

This same idea of friction can make the run time of even a new watch vary, due to small variances in how upright the wheels are, finish on the wheels, pinions, and pivots, etc. - all typical manufacturing tolerances like this can have a cumulative effect. This is why most manufacturers are conservative with the power reserve numbers they supply.

Hope this helps.

Cheers, Al
 
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I took my PO 8500 Ti off on Monday night at 22:00hrs (GMT) and put it back on Thursday morning at 07:00hrs (GMT) and was reading perfect time so 57hrs.

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I took my PO 8500 Ti off on Monday night at 22:00hrs (GMT) and put it back on Thursday morning at 07:00hrs (GMT) and was reading perfect time so 57hrs.

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It has 60th PR so that's about right
 
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I walk my dog around 2-3 miles every morning and always wear my watch this puts a good reserve into it for the day, then would wear it all the rest of the day unless I'm at work then I don't wear it. I very much feel I bought this watch to wear not leave it in a box I've had it 4 months and only had to re set the time once. I love it to bits.
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I walk my dog around 2-3 miles every morning and always wear my watch this puts a good reserve into it for the day, then would wear it all the rest of the day unless I'm at work then I don't wear it. I very much feel I bought this watch to wear not leave it in a box I've had it 4 months and only had to re set the time once. I love it to bits.
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That's why your watch is fully wind all the time. But I don't think if you let it sit for 57h it could be automatically wind back to full by just wearing it
 
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This is observation of my 3603 movement with 52h power reserve.
I did wind it 50 times just to make sure it's fully wound. I think it start clicking after 40 winds. First 24h the second was +1 at 48h the second was +5. Than the time stopped at 54h 2min.
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Looks like fully wound watch is more precise. Plus I was able to get extra 2h than what is in specifications by Omega on the particular watch.
The watch was motionless on my table the whole time.(angle 120 degrees)
 
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I would like to know your experience with this. Is the power reserve provided by manufacture accurate ? Is it usually less ? Or could it be more?
Are certain movements more or less accurate (power reserve not time)

Ulysee Nardin is deadly accurate on "power reserve".

Are you referring to the specs for the mainspring (for example: 42 hours) or an actual meter like on the UN 263-xx's?
 
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Just tested mine again took it off Wednesday at 19:00pm and have been working until Friday 21:30pm It's been in a little box wrapped in a dusting cloth on its side. Perfect time still and running 50hrs 30mins.
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My just stop after 128 h 20min. Wound it up in full On Friday 3:45pm. Wore it the whole Sunday. Put it away Sunday night, shook it for little bit on Monday and Tuesday night night. Stooped working Thursday morning 12:05am
 
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I was wondering if my assumption of power reserve was right . So closer you get to depletion of the PR = more inaccurate your watch gets ? So Ideally you don't want to get below 50% of your PR right ?
I noticed on my watch
100% PR = +1s/3days
50%PR = +1s/1day
5to10%PR = +5s/12h
 
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Isochronism, or more specifically, the lack of it will come into play as less torque is transmitted to the train and eventually the balance wheel. Watchmakers do take great pains to try to limit the negative timing effects, but as everything is, this is a series of compromises...

Cheers, Al
 
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That's why your watch is fully wind all the time. But I don't think if you let it sit for 57h it could be automatically wind back to full by just wearing it

Yes it will if worn long enough, unless you put it on and were totally inactive for the day. Almost any auto magic watch will get to full wind even if you are minimally active through out the day. Even my cheap old Seikos will wind just while I am driving.
 
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This is observation of my 3603 movement with 52h power reserve.
I did wind it 50 times just to make sure it's fully wound. I think it start clicking after 40 winds. First 24h the second was +1 at 48h the second was +5. Than the time stopped at 54h 2min.
Conclusion
Looks like fully wound watch is more precise. Plus I was able to get extra 2h than what is in specifications by Omega on the particular watch.
The watch was motionless on my table the whole time.(angle 120 degrees)

sorry for silly question, but I will ask anyways. I have never wound my automatic watches, I have simply just put them on and then shook my wrist to 'get the wheels in motion'. With my new acquisition, my Omega Ploprof , that's what I have done also, and it seems to work. So my question is, How exactly do you wind it and when to stop, is it a back and forth winding motion or just in one direction, and if so, what direction. I have done the same with my Submariner for years, just put it on and give the watch a shake. Thanks