Pocket Watch Experts: Very Old German Mystery Pocket Watch

An old friend of mine sent me these pictures of his grandfather’s watch. I’ve told him that I suspect it is actually his great grandfather’s piece. His folks were from a farming family in Germany. I’m guessing the case is silver. He was unable to lift what I think is the dust cover so I cannot see the movement. Judging by the recent close up of the hands, I’m thinking the movement is not a pretty sight. The enamel dial is obviously chipped.

He’s asked for some expert thoughts on the watch. I’ve managed expectations on restoration.

I appreciate any wisdom you folks could impart.

Larry S

I suspect the movement is Swiss, rather than German. The cuvette (dust cover) is engraved CYLINDER which refers to the cylinder escapement. Why the Swiss persisted turning out watches with cylinder escapements for probably a century after development of the lever escapement is a puzzle to me. The cuvette is engraved 8 rubis, or 8 jewels. Decidedly Swiss markings in my view. Of course it is key wind and key set. The case has the appearance of possible coin silver. The cuvette would appear to be silver plated base metal. I am not certain, but the perimeter of the case back might be decorated with niello, a form of enamel decoration. The case is very badly worn. It would be a challenge to find someone who would undertake a restoration of that one.

Cylinder escapement = pass!

At least for most watchmakers I know, myself included.

I once ran into an English pocket watch made by John Sewill, a 19th century watchmaker. It had a cylinder escapement. The cylinder in this watch was made of ruby, not the typical steel cylinder most often seen. This watch was a very high quality watch in an 18-karat case, and fully jewelled. This watch ran beautifully. But cylinder escapements generally, no thank you.

@Archer and @Canuck …. Thanks very much for your responses. I will pass them on to my friend. From further reading, seems most collectors avoid these movements.