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Mr.David Mr.David
I would think that the eatch itself is in very good condition

To compare, the Speedmaster101 definition of "very good" for the price chart:

Very Good - Case Dial and bezel are without obvious damage. Parts are original or replaced with correct vintage replacements. The watch is attractive. The parts look good together. There may be minor marks on the case or bezel, and the dial is clean and with attractive plots with luminous material intact.

There are marks all over the case. Marks on the case back are significant. There are small marks all over the bezel. We'd need a closer picture of the dial, but if the lume is indeed gone, and it looks like that to me, the dial is far from very good, too.

I'm not saying this is a bad watch, not at all. But it's a long way from "very good" to me. If the lume is indeed gone, "fair" might just be right, the impact on value will be massive.
 
Davidt
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I agree a ‘proof of authenticity’ adds nothing.
Also, C24 1) shows asking prices, not sold prices, 2) is mostly dealers who charge a premium, 3) is known to have high prices.

I think assessing your watch as ‘very good’ is a stretch based on those photos. Do you have better pics of the dial? Also, is there dirt/dust around the bezel and on the dial or is it stains/chips/damage?
 
Davidt
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Also, it’s important to distinguish between the package and the watch.
The original box, papers, extract etc do indeed make a nice package and they add some value but they don’t change the condition of the actual watch. A ‘fair’ watch doesn’t become ‘good’ by the addition of box and papers.
 
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Are looking for an insurance value or a private sale value?
The lack of lume definitely holds this one back.
 
2tone61
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Maybe as a watch,the value is what you may think its worth as a watch or an investment that needs to show a return.
We usually buy things because we like them and may sell later as we no longer like them or are trading to something else we like or want.
Just my two pennies worth.
 
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Good

Case and caseback take a lot off the price…that caseback that has been hacked with someone trying to open the caseback with scissors for about 40 minutes is not helping.

Dial - No lume affects the price a bit also.

Box and papers is a lot different than Box and extract. Box adds nothing to me as that could have had any watch in it. Box and extract is + $100 in my book
 
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Mr.David Mr.David
the crown has 32 teeth and according to a previous thread from 2018 here on omegaforum with 3 different original crowns, it also meets the requirements. so I would like to hear how you assess that it is a replacement. maybe a better picture will help
Early service crown, IMO, but that doesn't effect value much, partly because some people believe these crowns were original.
 
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Dan S Dan S
Early service crown, IMO, but that doesn't effect value much, partly because some people believe these crowns were original.
With all respekt

precisely on that point I do not agree with you that it is a replacement here I put my faith in what a vintage watchmaker who has worked with omega and moon watches for over 35 years experience
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I might be way out of line here...
But the OP:s extract shows serial nr 25.00 million, production Feb 28 1968,
I have a 145.012-67, serial nr 26.07 million, production April 26 1968.

It's not possible to build 1 million Speedys in two months??


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And from the Bible....

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Dan S
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Mr.David Mr.David
With all respekt

precisely on that point I do not agree with you that it is a replacement here I put my faith in what a vintage watchmaker who has worked with omega and moon watches for over 35 years experience
Sure, you're free to have your own opinion, and apparently you also believe that this is a very good watch. 🤨

But, "with all respect," I'm not sure why you started a thread to ask for opinions if all you're going to do is argue and insist that your own opinions (and those of an un-named watchmaker) are correct. It seems that you were really just interested in promoting your watch for sale. When I'm sincerely interested in hearing opinions, I sit back and listen to them, whether or not I agree.

Anyway, the crown is a minor point in the context of this watch. The condition of the dial is very unfortunate and it's not a collector's watch. At a bargain price, someone will buy it, have it re-lumed, and enjoy wearing it.
 
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Archer Archer
Hour recorder is creeping...
I do hope that the watchmaker that is the respected Danish Guy didn't do the service in 2020??
 
Mr.David
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First of all Iam not here to promote my watch in any way, but after all, now I know a little about the history of the watch and where it comes from.

so when people say it's a put together watch, replacement crown and even with a replacement bracelet, when I know its not correct, it's clear that I try to correct it. , it's not an easy world to venture into and think that it might have been a huge mistake to ask for knowledge here, there are obviously 200 arguments against and 200 arguments for . I think the thread should just be closed here, I want to say thank you for all your input. and wish you all good day

/D.
 
padders
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I too think the 25m serial is odd, but William has the -67s starting in the high 24m range so I guess its OK.

The toys are coming out the pram and the pics have disappeared. Happily I can help by putting them back...

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Dan S
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Mr.David Mr.David
it might have been a huge mistake to ask for knowledge here, there are obviously 200 arguments against and 200 arguments for . I think the thread should just be closed here, I want to say thank you for all your input. and wish you all good day
Another satisfied customer.
 
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padders padders
I too think the 25m serial is odd, but William has the -67s starting in the high 24m range so I guess its OK.

The toys are coming out the pram and the pics have disappeared. Happily I can help by putting them back...

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Your lack of faith in humanity has saved the day. 😁

Edit: pics from his WRUW

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Mr. David, your thread is an helpful learning experience. As you noted, there's some disagreement on condition. Through discussion, I can learn what other people examine and become more informed on how to evaluate my own watches. It's not meant to attack or disrespect your watch.

In these pictures from your WRUW, the caseback looks in better condition. The caseback looked over polished and in different condition than your case, which made me question whether it had been the original caseback. But in these pics, it looks in better condition.

Personally, i think your case is good, if not very good only because it looks unpolished, or at least lightly polished in the past. It has several scratches and nicks, which would normally take it out of the very good category, but I place a premium on unpolished so would personally consider the case very good.

The bezel is nice, an easy good+ in my mind.

The problems are the dial and hands. Assuming the dial is not stained (hard to tell in pictures), the lume and hands are a bit marred. Nice lume and hands can make a bad watch look good and bad lume and hands can make a good watch look bad.

It's a great watch to own and wear. When you start trying to value it, it's unfortunately necessary to be critical.

-Dave
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padders padders
I too think the 25m serial is odd, but William has the -67s starting in the high 24m range so I guess its OK.

The toys are coming out the pram and the pics have disappeared. Happily I can help by putting them back...

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Yes i Think i
 
Mr.David
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yes I thought it created more division than what is good and wanted to close the thread. you are of course more than. welcome to put them on again,

But most importent i know the history of the watch and it has been in the family for more than 35 years. it's sad to be ruled out already in advance, most of all that the the watch is being shamed

happy Wednesday
 
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Even if a "watch has been in a family for decades", it doesn't mean it is all original. It's a long time frame, and people just plain forget - watches get serviced, sometimes by people that are not as qualified as one would wish - corners are getting cut, parts replaced - and people just plain forget.

I applaud you trying to keep the watch's honour from being besmirched. But that is not the intention here. You asked a bunch of knowledgable people for their opinion, and then you didn't like what you heard, is my impression. (No, I'm not counting myself among the knowledgable people. Just giving my observation, FWIW.)
 
Mr.David
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that's totally fair

since I became a member of the group in 2019, I have been in here at times, I have great respect for all attitudes and opinions from everyone who acts here, there must be no doubt about that, it has nothing to do with the fact that I can't like what I hear or people tell me about.

but people don't seem to listen to what information I'm providing. for example, I know the history of the origin of the watch and who got it in the first place, you cast doubt on the watchmaker and their competence in the area (here there are take and 3 different ones) none of those aspects are taken into account, yes I am not that either with med knowledge here, I was, I hadn't asked. but it's totally ok
as long as I know where the watch originates from, and I trust the people who assess it physically, then it must be overshadowed by people who judge based on the picture,
 
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