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In the UK we are currently having our first national election to require Photo ID for voting in person. I went to vote and my ID was checked and found OK. So was that a problem? Yes, it was issued in 1964 when I was 15 years old and lacked the white hair and beard I sport now, I cannot fit into the old BoyScout uniform either. The official did not look at the photo, just saw that the surname was the one I had given and handed it back. I was not even asked for first name(s). Want to cheat the photo ID requirement? Just steal someone's ID and remember the name, photo doesn't matter ::facepalm1::

I had gone to the polling station with 4 passports, including my current 2016-issue, and planned to use the latest one if they were busy and run through them starting from 1964 if things were quiet. One of the normal officials is a friend from another role and it's a long day doing a boring job for them so I try to bring a bit of amusement if I can.

But then we come to an actual problem, my address is missing from their list. I've come across this before, my house has a name [*] as well as a number. I don't use the name and it's only the local authority who do. The regular posties know this, and it applies to quite a few places on this street which was probably established over 2000 years ago, possibly 12000 😎 Problem is that the order in which addresses appear depends on the data source and then what sort algorithm is applied, some manage to get houses in numerical order despite their names, some push all the houses with names below the numbers, so I have to say "scroll to the bottom" to find it. Worked this time, so I do exist and I'm not just a figment of my imagination 😗

[*] Don't think it's a palace, the architectural description is "one storey with attics", or "two down two up".
 
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At least there is a requirement to show some sort of photo ID to vote in the UK. Here in the US we continually fight over the requirement to show ANY ID. Some people think requiring a valid ID to vote is somehow insidious and too difficult for some citizens.
 
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We just use our drivers license in Australia.
My road license (orig 1966, reissued 1993 after some naughty-boy penalty points expired) has no photo. But my RAC race licenses from 1970s and 1980s do have photos. I have rented a car in the USA using one of those, would it work here back home?
 
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My road license (orig 1966, reissued 1993 after some naughty-boy penalty points expired) has no photo. But my RAC race licenses from 1970s and 1980s do have photos. I have rented a car in the USA using one of those, would it work here back home?
That reminds me of something I saw last year. I was picking up a rental car at the Bordeaux, France airport and there was an American businessman also picking up a car, except he didn't have his physical US driving license with him, for whatever reason he didn't bring it with him. He had his wife send him a pic of the license but the manager would not issue a car without the physical license. He pleaded with them, even asking them to put the full value of the car on his credit card. No dice. I felt bad for him as he seemed totally honest and above board, but he wasn't going to get a vehicle from that agency (Enterprise) without the physical license. Don't know if it was a legal requirement or just a company policy overall. Lesson: don't put everything on your phone and expect it to be sufficient, sometimes you need the actual government issued document.
 
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At least there is a requirement to show some sort of photo ID to vote in the UK. Here in the US we continually fight over the requirement to show ANY ID. Some people think requiring a valid ID to vote is somehow insidious and too difficult for some citizens.
Yes because each vote is verified multiple different ways that don’t disenfranchise any voters. The problem is ID affects 3 groups seniors who don’t drive, and urban younger voters who don’t drive, and low income families. No one gets an ID card anymore if you don’t drive. Both of these groups skew towards Democrats. By requiring ID you can move the vote by a percent or so which would make a huge difference in battleground states. Oddly in battleground states are the only places where the GOP is trying to pass these laws.

did you know your voting record is public record? Did you you know that multiple news organizations have gone through those records and found no record of widespread fraud?

if you don’t know how this works I would be glad to jump on a call with you to explain how the US voting system has multiple checks and balances present that do not need a physical ID.

Or please reach out to your nearest registrar of voters this position held by both Republicans and Democrats would be more then happy to explain how it works.

Or volunteer at your nearest polling place and see how the system works and give back to your county. I do it every year, it’s the least I can do.

oh for a living I used to design anti fraud contols for products with worldwide distribution. Now I’m Information Consultant and teach Info Sec at one of the top 10 universities in the US.


Buts let’s give a little primer.
You can only vote at vote center you’re assigned too. If you don’t you get a provisional ballot. If you are at your assigned coroner center you must give name and address. Then you are marked down. If someone shows up trying to vote for someone else that has already voted the police are called.

at the end of the day all the non provisional votes are counted. Then all provisional votes are made sure they match to a registered voter and that no one esle has tried to vote on that name. Mail in votes and provisional votes are treated the same. This ensures that only 1 vote is done per registered voter. All votes without a registered voter are tossed. So no illegeal immigrants can get a vote to count.

but wait dead people on the voter roll! See all voting in public record and many news organizations have looked for proof of dead people voting and found no evidence of widespread voter fraud.
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Yes because each vote is verified multiple different ways that don’t disenfranchise any voters.
showing ID disenfranchises voters... I'll tell that to the clerk at the liquor store the next time they ask for my ID.... I'll say they're disenfranchising my ability to get wasted

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showing ID disenfranchises voters... I'll tell that to the clerk at the liquor store the next time they ask for my ID.... I'll say they're disenfranchising my ability to get wasted

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Re read my updated post.

also note voting is a right that shall not be disenfranchised according to the constitution while buying booze is not.
 
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Re read my updated post.

also note voting is a right that shall not be disenfranchised according to the constitution while buying booze is not.
so is buying a firearm, but see how restrictive that is.... in fact, the wording can't be more serious than SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
 
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so is buying a firearm, but see how restrictive that is.... in fact, the wording can't be more serious than SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
I don’t need an ID to legally buy a firearm in many jurisdictions.
In no jurisdiction do I need an ID to posses a firearm.
 
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I don’t need an ID to legally buy a firearm in many jurisdictions.
In no jurisdiction do I need an ID to posses a firearm.
Yes, I agree 100% that we should fight for the right for no ID + no background checks to buy firearms and no license required to conceal carry in every single jurisdiction... it's very disenfranchising!
 
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Yes, I agree 100% that we should fight for the right for no ID + no background checks to buy firearms and no license required to conceal carry in every single jurisdiction... it's very disenfranchising!

Sure let’s do that! You know more guns and gun training make everything safer. Let’s teach gun ownership and safety in high school and then give the option to buy military surplus handguns and get concealed carry after they turn 18. This will make communities safer right?
 
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Sure let’s do that! You know more guns and gun training make everything safer. Let’s teach gun ownership and safety in high school and then give the option to buy military surplus handguns and get concealed carry after they turn 18. This will make communities safer right?
Sure will! But how will we know they've turned 18? We definitely can't ask them for ID.
 
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That reminds me of something I saw last year. I was picking up a rental car at the Bordeaux, France airport and there was an American businessman also picking up a car, except he didn't have his physical US driving license with him, for whatever reason he didn't bring it with him. He had his wife send him a pic of the license but the manager would not issue a car without the physical license. He pleaded with them, even asking them to put the full value of the car on his credit card. No dice. I felt bad for him as he seemed totally honest and above board, but he wasn't going to get a vehicle from that agency (Enterprise) without the physical license. Don't know if it was a legal requirement or just a company policy overall. Lesson: don't put everything on your phone and expect it to be sufficient, sometimes you need the actual government issued document.

My driver licence is a gummint issued digital one on my phone so I must remember to avoid hiring a car in Bordeaux.

The best way of getting around Bordeaux I found was ........

 
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Sure will! But how will we know they've turned 18? We definitely can't ask them for ID.
Great glad you agree!

So will join me in spear heading this program?

Obviously we need to do it where it will do the most good right? As more guns make places safer we need to start with Detroit, Chicago and Washington DC as they have the highest crime.
 
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Great glad you agree!

So will join me in spear heading this program?

Obviously we need to do it where it will do the most good right? As more guns make places safer we need to start with Detroit, Chicago and Washington DC as they have the highest crime.
Sounds good, as those cities have the most restrictive gun laws in the country but for some reason, as a result, the highest rate of gun crimes. Those Gun-Free Zone signs just aren't working! It's almost as if criminals, by nature, don't care about the law. So surely, giving people who follow the law more ability to defend themselves and their families is a good thing!
 
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Wait this isn’t closed yet?
Yippeeee!!!!!!
Here is a story.
Because I had spare time I went to public library and I am asshole.
I picked out a new book. James Patterson or some rot like that. I walked out the door. Of course the buzzer went on.
“Sir, you need to check out the item”
I’m good I’ll bring it back when I am done
All hell broke loose, police summoned. Only 3 cops station just a block away.
Threats of arrest if I didn’t check the book out and produce valid identification.
Ohhhh ya, the logic says library books not in Constitution.

Guess I’ll get it out there, those that claim voter disenfranchisement by requiring ID to vote

you are blithering idiots
F off and all that

obviously public libraries in the US are nazi institutions requiring ID for books. Show us your papers for that Kat in the Hat book
 
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except he didn't have his physical US driving license with him
Seems pretty basic if you want to rent a car....
 
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This dude first asks college students, then goes to black neighborhood and asks African Americans about IDs and voting. The white savior complex is so offensive I can't believe anyone actually thinks that way. As a European, it is inconceivable to me that someone is pushing to vote without personal documents.

 
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The US system doesn’t need ID’s as everyone is identified a different way.

but hey let’s make assumptions.