There is a 2998-5 in Phillips that carries a 1730xxxx serial and leaf subdial hands. What say you all? (Photo from listing, see lot here: http://www.phillips.com/detail/OMEGA/CH080215/217?fromSearch=omega&searchPage=1)
It may just be the angle of the photo but is the top pusher correct? ..... and the white hands all seem to be wrong - sub dials too early and chrono seconds too late ..... and the serial number is a couple of years too early to fit within the MWO range.
The alpha hands for the sub dials finished with the 2998-4 and the teardrop chrono seconds started with the later 2998-6 versions.
Agree with this... "and the white hands all seem to be wrong - sub dials too early and chrono seconds too late" Was about to say transition, very common, but in this case, its transistion from top and bottom... lol! That means either one of them is incorrect
Thanks for the explanation Stewart. I know this is not a new thing, but how do 'mistakes' like this happen at reputable auction houses like this one? Surely these sort of things can have less than positive effect on their reputation?
Honestly, if I had the money to splurge on exorbitantly-priced auction watches (big "if"), I wouldn't have minded picking this up in spite of the inaccuracies. Aesthetically it's very attractive. The OCD freak in me might feel compelled at some later point to try and restore it to its original state, but as it stands I think it looks great.
Indeed. If it is old, then I dont trust it. If new, I have to rethink my numbers for 2998s http://speedmaster101.com/uncategorized/speedmaster-2998-in-phillips-geneva-may-2015/
I'm starting to flirt with the idea of a 2998 in the next year or so and if it came to the crunch, I don't think id make a move on this. Thise sub dial hands look far too white to me, not to mention, likely incorrect. Coupled with the movement no that's too many questions.
I agree. Until I see that extract talked about in the catalog then I think its assembled. A bargain compared to the ones in Christies
I was going to bid on this one (REALLY want a 2998), but felt like the hands were not original. Aren't the register hands supposed to be sticks?
They are and the chrono second hand should be straight, but that's potentially the least of the problems compared to the movement.
I'll take a shot. Dial seems beautiful and correct for 2998-5 Movement serial is for 2998-1 or plausibly -2 Minute and hour correct style for this watch but they look almost new, very shiny with no metal patina which I don't think is likely, even in a perfectly sealed case that's never been opened. So I think they must be Service or replacements. Dagger subdials easily fixed, although strangely they seem to have that thicker connection that 2998-1 had. Bezel fonts look too thin to me for this era. And isn't the "105" hash supposed to be a bit left of center to the "100" and "110" ? This one is centered it seems.
Looks like most if not all of the bases have been covered. The case looks good. I can't tell if the pushers or crown are original, but that's never a deal breaker for me. Nice bezel, sorry. The dial looks good and the plots are in good shape with a nice patina. It seems appropriate for a 2998-5. The hands. The subdial hands are not right for a 5, and they look too new. The minuted hand is the correct length, but again, the minute and hour hands look a bit too new. The spear point sweep second hand is correct for the 5. There are examples with the straight hand and some with the spear point. The movement however is not correct for a 5. 17.30x.xxx movement is from a 1 (17.301.xxx or 17.302.xxx) or a 2 (17.30x.xxx). For me that's a huge red flag since it's pretty definitive evidence that it's a put together CK 2998.
I was eyeballing the case, the way the endlinks fit is so far off my 105.002, was thinking it was a ground down asymmetric or something as the left lug in particular has this look of a taper on its top surface downwards toward the end link but its hard to tell from one photo. My 105.002 definitely looks nothing like this, especially how the inner side of the lug curves into the case with a very round curve
