Peculiar Lemania 11004

jaspers · Aug 2, 2020

Cross-posted from the Lemania thread:

I just came across this weird Lemania—a ref 11004 that I haven’t see before. Almost looks like a mix between an 11004 and a Sinn 140. Are you guys familiar with ref 11004 with cal 5100 GMT movement AND an Italian day wheel? The world time internal bezel looks pretty sweet, but I’m not sure if this one’s authentic...

eugeneandresson · Aug 2, 2020

Looks great. Never seen, neither a 5100 with a GMT.

How close are the fonts on this external rotatable bezel to the subject watch? They are reminiscent of each other to my eye at cursory inspection.

simonsays · Aug 2, 2020

The GMT is just a double hand, not a complication. I like that one above, is that a civilian version of the SAAF?

eugeneandresson · Aug 2, 2020

A double hand with an external crown (like the Flightmaster)? I assume the crown on the left is to set the GMT in the OP watch. Unless the inner bezel rotates...and the double-hand is un-settable other than by a watchmaker. I don’t know if they are civilian, but they sure are few and far between. And they share majority parts with the SAAF...including the bezel for the SAAF with the uncommon bezel variant.

Not to hijack this thread. I have a feeling the OP watch could be legit. But in the absence of Lemania information anywhere, and the scarcity of some watches, it is no more than that.

simonsays · Aug 2, 2020

eugeneandresson
A double hand with an external crown (like the Flightmaster)? I assume the crown on the left is to set the GMT in the OP watch. I don’t know if they are civilian, but they sure are few and far between. And they share majority parts with the SAAF...including the bezel for the SAAF with the uncommon bezel variant.

The external crown on the OP watch is for the internal bezel. The gmt hand is one piece with the hour hand like a two pronged fork, so always pointing one hour off set time and non adjustable. No complication unlike the Flightmaster.

jaspers · Aug 2, 2020

eugeneandresson
Looks great. Never seen, neither a 5100 with a GMT.

How close are the fonts on this external rotatable bezel to the subject watch? They are reminiscent of each other to my eye at cursory inspection.

Font looks similar, but hard to tell definitively bc the external bezel is carved and then filled and the internal one simply painted on the dial. Also, there’s one city that’s different: Caracas/Montreal

jaspers · Aug 2, 2020

simonsays
The gmt hand is one piece with the hour hand like a two pronged fork, so always pointing one hour off set time and non adjustable. No complication unlike the Flightmaster.

That’s quaint. What’s the use of a second hours hand that is non-adjustable and always one hour off? I mean, it’s not that hard to compute a 1hr time difference. Is the Sinn 140 lik this too? Thanks for clarifying this @simonsays!

jaspers · Aug 2, 2020

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Is the Sinn 140 lik this too?

I should have looked that up myself first. Turns out it is:

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