Patek Philippe Calatrava “Clous De Paris” Ref. 6119

marco

Langè beats all of them !

FlatTop

The Saxonia Thin @ 37mm (5.9mm thick) and the small seconds Saxonia @ 35mm (7.3mm thick) are arguably more "true dress watch" than the 39mm (8.1mm thick) 6119 with its railroad track, no?

STANDY

Lange just needs to chill out with dinner plate size with sections of dial unused.

The PP is a true dress watch that’s expensive compared to Lange being a expensive watch

Vaipec

And all below Lange

Evitzee

Do not fall into the trap of thinking Patek Philippe is at the pinnacle of watch manufacturers, they have not held that position for many decades. Most of their stuff is meh as far as design is concerned, and execution isn't all that stellar some of the time. But like Rolex, they have that reputation that gives them a pass for many people. I can think of a LOT of watches I'd buy at the $30k mark before this one got to the top of the list.

Archer

Yes and no.

First, I agree that for $30k, this would not be what I would be buying. Second, design is very subjective, so if that is critical to being at the "pinnacle" or not is highly debatable. For myself, I find very few of their designs compelling, so I do agree that most are pretty "meh" overall.

As for execution, at this level you are spot on and this is weak movement finishing, and short cuts are being taken in both choice of features and execution. However, when you get to their very high end pieces, they are still at the top IMO.

Cheers, Al

Caliber561

Out of curiosity, what are the movement shortcuts being taken?

Archer

Well, the first thing that strikes me is the lack of sharp interior angles. So from a design standpoint they seemed to have gone out of their way to avoid those.

The methods used to form the Côtes de Genève are different than what you see on the higher end models (ALS and others take this shortcut as well).

Caliber561

Now that you mention it, I do see it. Seems like that might also be the case on higher-end models too though? The shot of the CH 29-535 on their website clearly shows the "grooving" you mentioned in another thread. When pictures of other high-end movements are blown up, the phenomenon can clearly be seen as well, although the prominence seems to depend on the angle at which the photo was taken.