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  1. Florent Jan 16, 2018

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    Is this dial original or not ? It seems OK to my eyes but i'm not sure about what's are in the circle :thumbsdown:

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  2. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Jan 16, 2018

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    To my eyes its ok...but of late there have been so many revelations....
     
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  3. ELV web Jan 16, 2018

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    Here are examples for comparison. I think the above example is a redial as the subdials are not right. Also the overlapping of the printing is a tell tale.
     
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  4. bgrisso Jan 16, 2018

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    You have a compur with overlapping, right?
     
  5. bgrisso Jan 16, 2018

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    The drilled out lugs really bother me in this case, it's just pretty offputting for horn lugs in a gold dress watch. SS tool is one thing, this is quite another....
     
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  6. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Jan 16, 2018

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    yup - Same one Dre used as an example recently.
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  7. Florent Jan 16, 2018

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    Overlaping is documented on sala, and I found a very similar dial. I would say my dial is an early original :) ;)

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  8. Florent Jan 16, 2018

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    453F19C1-2324-44F1-AA23-0E2CD9456DB3.jpeg C55286B8-CAD7-439C-9872-F6819E12FFC2.png Finally the dial is not exactly the same (look at the 7)

    I was unable to found a similar dial with this kind of font in the archives or in sala ...

    This + the red flag on this dial ...

    Finally i would say redial ! :whistling::whipped:
     
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  9. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Jan 16, 2018

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    I also don't find a flat closed 6 either. But....never say never. Another generic dial stamped UG after printing?
     
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  10. Florent Jan 16, 2018

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    From Menta ... ::confused2::::confused2::::confused2::

    Maybe @Dre or @Diabolik could help ? You guys usually spots the redials from kilometers ;)

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  11. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Jan 16, 2018

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    Overlapping not ok for UG in my opinion. OK on other brands...Breitling for example....but not UG.

    Sala has its fair share of redials in the photographed examples, so I wouldn't rely on examples there to prove originality. Now, if you find an overlap among the images from the reproduced UG archives, that's different. But I haven't.
     
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  13. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Jan 16, 2018

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    :eek: Well I now have a vested interest in that not being true for all early Compur.
     
  14. Florent Jan 17, 2018

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    This comes from the archives and we can see overlaping IMO

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  15. Florent Jan 17, 2018

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    Others overlaping exemples in the archives ... :)

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  16. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Jan 17, 2018

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    Thanks for suffering the eye strain!
     
  17. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Jan 17, 2018

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    the one with the Savoy knot is particularly convincing
     
  18. ELV web Jan 17, 2018

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    Aren’t 12411 and 12401 kind of obvious redial?
     
  19. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Jan 17, 2018

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    They do look that way to my eye, but how would you explain their presence in the UG archives?
     
  20. ELV web Jan 17, 2018

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    That the archive is just kind of like non archive Sala pictures which are mixed? I think to prove this hypothesis, one has to spot a really very obvious redial that is not disputable in the archive pictures. I never really look through the archive with this mindset though and it is too late to do it now in Singapore. Will try tomorrow.