Originally about tariffs and watches ... now just political rambling

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Yes. And figure out why a university education has fallen so far in terms of esteem. Could that be related to the fact that the disproportionate increase in cost over the years has made it fundamentally unaffordable, and thus has caused it to become reflexively devalued?

This should honestly be a completely nonpartisan subject, in my opinion. The extraction of wealth that our college education system has become is truly, truly heinous.
 
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Maybe the constant cuts to education funding so we could keep cutting taxes for the rich to try trickle down economics wasn't a great idea.

Surely you jest. People have access to more information today than they ever have!



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Because the mass of uneducated and unemployed young men in the redneck states who cannot find well paying jobs.
Here in liberal Oregon, there are a lot of low wage jobs but few upper middle class entry points. Housing here is very expensive, leaving us older parents worried for our kids. It is a wide-spread conversation amongst our friends who are lawyers, a judge, patent-attorneys, architects, and other professionals.

In South Dakota where my father-in-law was from, it's a solid red state that had a very strong economy. They had factories and low housing costs. My wife's cousins were all able to raise families and buy houses on jobs that did not require college.

There's a lot of disgruntled youth who are progressive and liberal, in addition to conservatives. They differ enormously on social issues, but imho share equally in trying to get a job that will get them in the middle class. Something better than baristas, waitresses and Amazon warehouse indentured servants.

Regardless, tariffs are only breaking things and making a big noise to make it look like Trump is doing something. He wants to dig coal for God's sake. And he's killing alternative energy and climate change work. EV, solar etc is where the future economy is going. There are or were good paying jobs working on maintaining wind turbines, the kind that Trump hates because they block his view from his golf course in Scotland. China gets it, and they are getting a big boost from Trump destroying our nascent EV technology and growing alternative energy companies. It like the beginning days of the internet when no one knew how it would change the economy. But the USA is missing the future so we can go back to making VCR machines.

To answer @styggpyggeno1 question about what Trump wants to make in the USA for others to buy, I'd suggest solar panels and alternative energy technology, which he won't do. But it's an example of where tariffs on Chinese subsidized industry would benefit the USA and a tariff I could get behind.
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It's definitely a crappy situation, isn't it? We need much better education so that a lot of these people have a shot at getting good jobs. But that means, we actually need to spend a lot more money on education in the united states, not less.

In as much as good education is key to economic prosperity on an individual basis having an over educated population serves no one's best interests, how many degrees does it take to wash dishes, mow lawns and the hundreds of other menial jobs that help make a healthy and diverse community thrive.
Everyone wants their children to be a doctor, lawyer, accountant but expectation is not reality.

The education dollar isn't just from government spending but comes from within the trades be it on the job training or more formalized or hours based.
 
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In as much as good education is key to economic prosperity on an individual basis having an over educated population serves no one's best interests, how many degrees does it take to wash dishes, mow lawns and the hundreds of other menial jobs that help make a healthy and diverse community thrive.
Everyone wants their children to be a doctor, lawyer, accountant but expectation is not reality.

The education dollar isn't just from government spending but comes from within the trades be it on the job training or more formalized or hours based.
Many places require some form of tertiary education to get a job. So as much as I agree with the idea that it’s not necessary for everyone, the reality is often that without it you are quite limited in what jobs you can get.

The latest data I could find was from 2022, but I don’t think these trends change a lot over a short time…

 
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In as much as good education is key to economic prosperity on an individual basis having an over educated population serves no one's best interests, how many degrees does it take to wash dishes, mow lawns and the hundreds of other menial jobs that help make a healthy and diverse community thrive.
Everyone wants their children to be a doctor, lawyer, accountant but expectation is not reality.

The education dollar isn't just from government spending but comes from within the trades be it on the job training or more formalized or hours based.
I think being well-educated is an important endeavor, irrespective of the financial implications. Being taught how to think, and assess critically, is an important life skill irregardless of one’s occupation. And regardless if irregardless is not a word.
 
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OMG. Does anyone here have kids?

Public school systems fight tooth and nail to shorten school days, school years. Average number of school days in US 180 approx. 6.5 hours.
Average school year South Korea as example 220 days. about 12 hours a day.

High School graduates that cannot read or write because they get passed on in the name of some........ OMG more money?

Meanwhile back to tariffs...... Trump wants even playing field. Simple as that. He could ask please...but you gotta shock the monkey some times.
 
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Many places require some form of tertiary education to get a job. So as much as I agree with the idea that it’s not necessary for everyone, the reality is often that without it you are quite limited in what jobs you can get.

The latest data I could find was from 2022, but I don’t think these trends change a lot over a short time…


That does seem to be the norm these days where the first selection criteria is what someone's academic qualifications are rather than the competency of the applicant with HR or Employment consultants weeding out people based on tertiary values rather than what the actual job involves. What easier way to reduce your workload of interviews than targeting one small aspect of the suitability of a prospective employee.

I think being well-educated is an important endeavor, irrespective of the financial implications. Being taught how to think, and assess critically, is an important life skill irregardless of one’s occupation. And regardless if irregardless is not a word.

Absolutely!
 
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That does seem to be the norm these days where the first selection criteria is what someone's academic qualifications are rather than the competency of the applicant with HR or Employment consultants weeding out people based on tertiary values rather than what the actual job involves. What easier way to reduce your workload of interviews than targeting one small aspect of the suitability of a prospective employee.

From what I gather, a lot of places use AI to do the first run through resumes, so there’s a chance that a human never sees yours. Everyone is looking for efficiency in what they do, so there’s kind of interview process I went through 40 years ago for my first full time job, doesn’t exist now.

The place I used to work was very big on promoting from within, and there were all kinds of managers who had no more education than high school or possibly through the trades. I saw personally the good and bad of that over my 23 years with the company.
 
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OMG. Does anyone here have kids?

Public school systems fight tooth and nail to shorten school days, school years. Average number of school days in US 180 approx. 6.5 hours.
Average school year South Korea as example 220 days. about 12 hours a day.

High School graduates that cannot read or write because they get passed on in the name of some........ OMG more money?

Meanwhile back to tariffs...... Trump wants even playing field. Simple as that. He could ask please...but you gotta shock the monkey some times.
I get the impression that teachers are not well paid in the US…at least compared to here.
 
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I think being well-educated is an important endeavor, irrespective of the financial implications. Being taught how to think, and assess critically, is an important life skill irregardless of one’s occupation. And regardless if irregardless is not a word.
I learnt how to listen, remember and regurgitate. School days.(UK 70s/early 80s)
Things started to shift to thinking / analysing / assessing towards the end but I was dumb enough to fight against the changes as my, once great, grades started to take a knock.

For a long time I resented not being pushed / encouraged, dragged even into higher education (University).

Only recently have I recognised and admitted that was MY choice and mistake.
Unfortunately, the same can be said for my alcoholism, which developed, rather quickly, at the same time.
I've struggled all my life. In Australia we're called Battlers. Maybe I'm overestimating myself with that label.

Miles away from the tariffs but maybe I just needed to get that out?

I don't even know who to attribute this quote to, but it's a members tagline on another watch forum.
"It is better to know how to learn than to know."

Encourage your kids and grandchildren. I assume teens are still generally the same, despite all the gen X/Z/millennial differences/nonsense?
My lass is all grown up now and I missed my shot.
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I get the impression that teachers are not well paid in the US…at least compared to here.
Definitely. Top heavy administrative jobs. Counselors up the butt. Nonsense classes. On and on.
 
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Definitely. Top heavy administrative jobs. Counselors up the butt. Nonsense classes. On and on.
Are they unionized? Here they are, so through collective bargaining they are able to keep class sizes reasonable (for the most part) and negotiate decent wages.
 
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...Only recently have I recognised and admitted that was MY choice and mistake...

I can relate. It's uncomfortable at first, then surprising, but then sort of like breathing after holding your breath for a long time. We can't change our past but it doesn't get to control us or our future.

That's not an easy realization but it's kindof a gift to see things more clearly. Thanks for sharing. Nice to read something real in all the daily noise.
 
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Are they unionized? Here they are, so through collective bargaining they are able to keep class sizes reasonable (for the most part) and negotiate decent wages.

Here in my town in MA teachers are unionized, but that only serves the teachers not the students. Actually quite the opposite as the teachers take funds away from student matters.
And unfortunately we do not invest in those educating our kids.
And I am pro Union …….

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Are they unionized? Here they are, so through collective bargaining they are able to keep class sizes reasonable (for the most part) and negotiate decent wages.
Yes, they largely area.
 
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Just a note from the sidelines (Australia).

This thread has certainly drifted from time to time, but it is a fascinating discussion that I check into every day. I have enjoyed USA every time we visited, and have great respect for the many good people we met and spent enjoyable times with. American history was one of my favourite subjects at university, so I am perhaps biassed.

It is hard looking at the current turbulence. The tariff decisions are frankly bewildering, especially when they seem to change so frequently. Talk of making tariff deals is now significantly undermined by the suspicion from other countries that those deals could so easily be tossed out on a whim.

The danger is that USA will become increasingly marginalised as other countries find ways to work around the impact of USA tariffs, and consolidate independent global trading. I fear that the big winners in this will be China and India, not the good people in USA who so desperately wanted their lives to change for the better.
 
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I’ve been ruminating on this, and it’s time to say it: I’m really impressed by this thread, and those that are participating.

The anonymity of the internet often gives one the latitude to be more aggressive and antagonistic in written discourse than in person, coupled with the fact that the media tends to foment divisiveness in order to whip up conflict and stimulate viewership. Despite that, there have been some very passionate and emotionally-charged tangents here that by and large have been dealt with in an intelligent, informative, and gentlemanly manor.

The people here are adept at discussing the nuances of watches, and any aspect of world politics, even with opposing perspectives.

Again: I’m impressed.
 
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Are they unionized? Here they are, so through collective bargaining they are able to keep class sizes reasonable (for the most part) and negotiate decent wages.
Some are. The most widely recognized is the Chicago Teachers Union. But I will leave the education results in Chicago as no comment.